Only way id love god

Sexist: if you're referring to the jews, yes they did have a patriarchal society, just like almost everyone else at the time.

Missing content: wait, what?

Condones slavery: The jews were themselves, slaves, so did many many other countries in the world have slaves. This is the OT though.

Peace and love are eternal.

The Manuscripts for the NT existed long before 400AD when the catholics "formalized it"

We have thousands of early Christian writings and lexionaries which cite verses from the New Testament. In fact, we can actually put the entire New Testament together just from early Christian writings. For example, the Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians (dated 95 A.D.) cites verses from the Gospels, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians, Titus, Hebrews, and 1 Peter. The letters of Ignatius (dated 115 A.D.) were written to several churches in Asia Minor and cites verses from Matthew, John, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. These letters indicate that the entire New Testament was written in the first century A.D.

Source
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html

well, here's how you tell:

I John 4:2-3
Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God

 

You do realise you are proving my point don't you? Lol.

Your vague answers don't actually address the questions.

Perhaps you thought you were debating with a 5 year old?

Try again please.

 

btw Erise, what would you say if god turned out to be shiva? lloked the same etc and everything in that religion was true? would you 'repent' lol daft crap...

 

Ah, a claim!

PROVE IT.

 

What would you do....

IF

[insert situation here]

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What if God turned out to just be YHVH?

 

What if God turned out to be...H-O-R-S-E-S-H-I-T?

 

What if I were god?

Nah, if I were god things would be WAYYYYYYYY different...and I wouldn't be living month to month - lol

 

I'd worship Sera Michele, if she were God.

 

just answer the question mr.risky

 

And I would bestow on you many blessings

 

Woodstock,

Unfortunately, this planet is world is run by sinful men, not by God! God has no power to stop the sinful men because he loves them and has given them free will. We can help by asking God to help, and to act through us, but crucially he can't intervene without our permission. Because if God were to turn this into a perfect world, it wouldn't just be the weapons that would be banished, it would be you and me too, because we are not perfect.

If God were to prevent hunger, and restore world peace, why stop there? He may as well banish all unwholesome pastimes, and unhealthy food, and force us to go to the gym 3 times a week. And not to say cruel things to people. And not to think cruel thoughts. Unfortunately, when you follow these kinds of things through, you end up with God controlling our thoughts, and effectively we fail to be living sentient beings. We define wars as 'big problems', but to God all our sins are 'big problems'.

As for God showing himself to you, that is something he has done to many people. He's not exactly in the habit of showing himself to every human on the planet on their 10th birthday. God will always listen when you speak to him, but he requires our respect and our faith, and a little dedication and patience — he is a person after all and takes offence to people scoffing at him or testing him! He does as he pleases and will not appear on demand. I'm a devoted Christian but he's only appeared to me once. If you want to meet God then go into a church and ask some Christians for their stories and they will tell you, and ask Jesus into your life and if you believe he may make an appearance in person. The deal is: believe first, see after. Sorry; I don't make the rules!

 

Brilliant, mate! That was ace!

 

i agree. welcome to the forum, i dont think i;ve seen you around before.

 

There are abstract concepts that cannot be seen or felt, but that are provable.

You unfortunately have to have a set of totally objective observations.

Find a "3" in nature. Grow one. Find one. Build one. You can't. But "3" exists no matter what. 3 has relationships. 3 + 2 = 5. 5 - 2 = 3.

You cannot "observe" this as we would classically understand it.

Now, here's what REALLY wigs ya out - things like imaginary numbers, which have a component which is the square root of -1. The square root of -1 is an impossibility but it MUST exist because entire branches of mathematics depend on it.

HOWEVER

You are NEVER asked to accept it on faith. You are given the basic tools with arithmetic. Once you learn to count objects and conceptualize the concepts therein, you are taught to add, subtract.... and then go into algebra, calculus.. and then into the mysterious beyond of the outer limits of number theory, etc. But EVERYTHING adds on everything else.

If we were to find out tomorrow that 2+2 is sometimes 5, the ENTIRE HOUSE OF CARDS FOLDS.

The Bible, the Koran, etc. are NOT ABOUT GOD. They are stories about people, peppered with THOU SHALT NOTs.

It IS possible to understand and prove that which cannot be seen or tangibly understood.

However, the acceptance of same is not faith. One does not and should not "believe" in mathematics.

 

thanks, yea, hendrix was awesome.
rock on

 

Does "gravity" exist? Last I heard it was just a theory of why
we dont fly off the planet, and why apples fall to the ground.
Prove to me that gravity is what does that.

As to "god" fixing everything, that shouldnt rule out gods,
just "all powerful omni-present" ones.

The Christian god exists, just not the way they credit him.

 

Cheers, Erise & Seahorse!

I come and go on this forum. Haven't been back for a while, but I'm here for now.

I wrote LOADS on the "the free will excuse" thread last night. Check it out if you missed it.

 

So many threads these days it's hard to keep track of what.

 

Yup fair enough.
but your still assuming god is real! tut tut
and dont you think god could at least show himself: as aslan who would be a great god once said "feel me, touch be, these are my paws, here is my maine, i am aslan" because then ppl WOULD believe in god and feel more inpspired to be positive and help the world for return of getting inot heaven. after all heaven is a bribe.

 

You're just playing semantics now...


Gravity is what we define the force you speak about above. Gravity didn't have a special meaning before that. You admit that this force exists, do you not, because we are not floating off the planet? We have defined that force as gravity.