One Shiva

DMT is difficult for sure, it's difficult in a different way than Salvia though.

Dude i've done Salvia for 7 years (not consistently) every breakthrough i've had, I have found slightly frightening and/or disturbing in some way. There is no getting 'the hang' or nature of salvia for me. Every single time i've thought I finally understood salvia and go for like a monster rip I get a curveball and metaphorically fall right on my face. I saw someone recommending you ease into the experience or fractals or something the idea of easing into a salvia breakthrough is completely meaningless to me. I always feel apprehension when about to smoke salvia, so far I always feel excitement when about to smoke DMT.

That being said you can take a smaller rip of salvia and kind of like reside somewhere in between reality and salvialand, maybe slightly higher than your previous trips on it 7 years ago or whatever it was.

I took 4 huge rips of DMT today and like I pushed that as far as I wanted to go I think. I almost felt like I was blacking out (Like actually blacking out , not salvia black out) and about to puke. It got on me quicker but I barely remember any of it and it didn't seem like an improvement on the experience with the monster tokes. I don't think it's in DMT's nature to completely rip your head apart like Salvia can personally. My friend tried DMT today for the first time today and she was like eager for a 2nd dose and when she did Salvia she had your attitude of "I don't want to do that again." Doing it with MDMA is the only way i've found to make it a little 'easier' and comparable to like DMT, and more of an LSD type feeling. The Sally flip probably most resembles an improved 5 meo DMT trip cause I'm not worrying about my heart rate and breathing which I did with 5 meo.

I guess keep in mind this is only one batch of DMT I have but supposedly the freebase is stronger than the hcl salt.

My analogy between the two may be kind of crappy but I view it as :

DMT= Being shot off on a magic carpet ride
Salvia= The magic carpet being pulled from underneath your feet

I'm using straight comparisons to Salvia here in my experience too, realize that DMT is definitely a heavy, powerful trip that you should approach with respect and it's a lot more forceful than 2ce or LSD, I still always feel like I own my mind though on it though.

 

Very possible that i'm not. I tend to be content at sub breakthrough. next time i smoke i will just smoke until i can't smoke anymore

 

thanks, Gbedlam, that helps a lot.
i know DMT is obviously deserving of respect, but now i don't feel like i have to be terrified of trying it.

do you listen to music when you smoke salvia?

if i try it again, i will smoke the rest at once - being high like those initially trials is boring

 

I don't listen to music on HIGH doses of any disassociatives. I find it tends to clash with the experience and like I think you mentioned it sounds distorted beyond recognition and that's how I feel. For DMT I do not recommend music either for the initial dose(s), although when I went on a DMT trip purposelly wanting to hear a particular song I found it pretty good, it kept me grounded in consensual reality a bit tho.

I listened to music once that I distinctly remember on Salvia and it wasn't even a full on breakthrough but I didn't particularly care for it.

 

well i wasn't listening to music like i normally do on a psychedelic - loudly focusing only on it, probably laying down.

the music was just on in the background for when friends come over to blaze. my trip sitter smoked a bong to the face, and then i used it for salvia. good thing i have two slides, because i'm afraid of that one now gotta clean the hell out of it

 

hahaha. Did you get a torch lighter or use a regular one?

and did you smoke like 1/2 of what you had?

 

i don't like salvia. i feel like if i smoke salvia again i might disapear, or that my spirit will be liberated from this reality and left to dwell in higher dimensions illuminated by salvia.

 

oh desos . . . somehow i don't think that would happen

 

regular lighter. ~1/2, maybe a little less

 

hey man, it's a real fear. lol. salvia takes me so far out i dare to even think about it.

 

you need to snort 200mg dpt and tell me about higher dimensions.

 

haha. i'm not even ready at all for heavy tryptamines yet. i can't even equalise myself out of mushrooms. i just get terrible in-your-head mindfucks. don't know what the deal is it hasn't always been this bad, but these last few mushroom trips...

 

Oh, yeah man....smoke the shit out of it! (as an old friend used to say about weed.)

You will be so fucking amazed if you haven't seriously broken through before. 50mg of DMT can be pretty big if it's fluffy...you must have a scale though...like the amount of space a nickel takes up.

I wish I could give you a dose right now out of my not-so-efficient but very-effective pipe and see your reaction. I'm pretty sure you'd be blown away like never before.

You really need 3 huge hits or milky white vapor. (or 5 or 6 medium ones, which makes the come up slightly more gradual....like 5 seconds instead of 1!)

It's really like the most psychedelic video you could ever think of, but you are immersed in it and it is more detailed than normal vision. The emotional aspect can be amazing, and intellectually it usually brings incredible joy. Every sense is completely ruled by your mind and imagination. (I don't want to scare anyone away from it, but there have been a few occasions where things when the other direction.)

There's this feeling of multiple personalities that happens on the come up for me, where multiple aspects of your personality, that you know are yours, are conversing. I think I always have these conflicting aspects in my mind, but they are so apparent at that time. Then, you are there.

McKenna is right about one thing...if you don't think at some point, "Oh man, I took way too much." then you haven't taken enough.

 

I would call mushrooms a heavy tryptamine No doubt.

Dude . . . that's what tryptamines do. The more you do them, the less "stuck in stunned" you become and the more open your mind is to the various ways and means of these molecules. Just like with pot, you must acclimate yourself to and learn how to use tryptamines. They are giving you "in your head" journeys because you are ready to take those journeys now. You should not get stuck on one molecule though, don't just bang your head against mushrooms over and over if you don't feel like you are getting anywhere with them. Branch out a bit, lots of deep cosmic trypts out there. Maybe give the ol' 4-aco-dmt a shot, it will be a natural next step if you're familiar with the fungus.

 

Wiggle the pipe like I suggested in the other thread writer, if you are using the "oil burner" and inhale deeply.ive maxed out on 5 grams of mushrooms but it did not even come close to the super 'digital' perfection visuals of dmt. Dmt is like some alien has a visualizer set up in your head and its 10x smoother and flawless than anything you've seen on your computer.

McKenna quote: "Everything is polished and throbbing with energy"

It does sound like you have seen glimpses of it though. The vision gets completely layered and has depth that ive never seen mushrooms or LSD take on before personally. It still does have a distinct tryptamine quality to it but I'm usually to overtaken on solid breakthroughs to break it down like that.

 

increase dose

 

That's because you are of the mind set that psychedelics allow contact with other beings and dimensions, and forget that everything that comprises the content of your trip is from within you.
If you try to attribute the things encountered to sources outside of you, then you will not profit and learn as much as possible from these substances.


Different psychedelics will present the content in different fashions with different emphasis on varying aspects of you.

Think of it this way.
If I could copy all the source code from Hip Forums and then change all the content variables, say The Knitting Lace Tea Cozy's Forums, change all the graphics, color schemes, text, etc. but retain the framework and functionality. I would have an identical representation of Hip Forums in regards to presentation and emphasis of content. Only the content is different. That is like you and I both taking the same substance. We are each going to have a uniquely different experience, but the way in which it is presented and emphasized will be very similar.

The psychedelic substances are the style sheets, your mind and memories provide the graphics and text.

Different psychedelics are like different web designs; different presentation and emphasis, different link tree and feedback functionality, but the content is always resourced from within "you".

At least that is how I view it.

 

The more often you walk a path, the less likely you are to stubb your toe.

 

Yah I dont think the torch lighter is as necessary as people make it out to be. Its probably slightly more efficient, and you may lose a few mgs of salvia with a regular lighter but you would have to be a complete nutjob to be worried about losing a few mgs of salvia.

I think the torch lighter makes it easier for people who dont smoke weed or who dont know the technique to smoking the stuff.

 

yea, i dunno if i got my whole dose, but i don't really care. i ashed the bowl into the trash right before i threw out the rest of the salvia.