One Shiva

Although I've done acid plenty of times outside, its been awhile since a large breakthrough dose has been consumed out there, I was planning on doing the exact same thing this week (oh that collective subconscious).

Got 3 graffiti tabs, thinking of going down to the river or pond way early in the morning so its all sun.

Only thing Im worried about is somebody coming by during the peak, and Im laying there on the ground motionless and almost breathless for hours, or if some authority comes by and don't notice them cause im staring out into space and laughing my ass off uncontrollably.

Either way, we should both do this, and compare experiences or something. If we did it on the same day it'd be like whooaa duudde!1!!

 

Writer, I think I have told you what you need to do to overcome your fears and shyness. Take it to heart and become more outgoing, I know our sessions have opened up a new world for you.

Who cares what anyone else thinks about ANYTHING, live your life to the fullest, you don't need anyone! And I know you know what I mean and talking about.

Live.Love.Peace
<3

 

not at all.

there must be some trips that stick out from the 100s though, right? i mean when you recall something about your psychedelic experiences 30 years later, and learn something new, is it recalling one trip in particular, a few of the stronger ones, or just the whole of what you've experienced?

honestly, i don't think i learn as much as your guys from tipping. or maybe it's just been awhile since i've had a revelation. i have carried many of the thoughts and ideas i've gotten while tripping, into my sober life. and like you said, you're a few years wiser than i am.

i hope i can continue to learn new things from tripping, and i'm sure i'll have my hiatus sometime too.


writer,
summer + night + FIRE does not = mosquitos

 

haha, i know exactly what you mean. on one of my 2ce trips (or maybe it was acid) i was laying in the snow at the park. it was a good couple of feet deep, and it would pack down and conform to my body to make a perfect reclining bed.
so after laying in the snow for a few minutes i realize that 1) my body might be getting too cold and 2) someone might walk past and think i'm dead.

so i got up and ran away

on my last trip a couple weekends ago (2 hits of L) i was standing around focusing on small details like bugs in the grass etc. i'm sure a couple people were wondering what the hell i was doing

 

After the 50 or 60 trips I've taken, I know about 8 of them stick out significantly. Its always the big doses that I've specially prepared to go into the deep. Especially 5 gram mushroom trips, they changed my entire being!

 

that's pretty much my take on it too. the larger doses, and especially first or early trips with a substance stick out the most to me.

 

Make sure set, setting, and dose are aligned with the intent.

"If you take a psychedelic, and you're not afraid you did too much, you didn't take enough." -TM

 

how'd that r get way over there?!

i know. i trip to have fun as well as to think, analyze and learn if there is something to be learned. i don't really think that every trip has offered some incredible new message, but like you guys are saying, that probably has to do with me and my reasons for taking psychedelics. i've learned great lessons, and to some extent i feel like i've got the message. but obviously i'm not ready to give up tripping, and i'm sure that with more decades of life experience, revisiting LSD in my 60s will be completely different.

my setting is always good. usually home alone and in the park. occasionally in the woods, maybe camping/at a festival/concert. the last one would be more for entertainment than learning.
i always pay attention to my mind set before tripping. if i'm feeling upset or depression or just not feelin it, i don't trip. so whenever i trip i'm feeling happy, excited, maybe to be perfectly honest i'm looking for a bit of an escape from everyday life and my job.

and i'm pretty sure what you'll have to say, but i'll ask anyway do you think higher doses are more appropriate for learning? i would think that eventually you'd be so far gone that you don't recall or learn much of anything.
^^^you edited your post

 

Pork being a rookie, I can only offer up my opinion. But it would seem as if higher doses don't "allow" you to "mold" your trip. So it's like a ride that you have to follow? That's my guess, I can't wait to see what some of our mentors say lol.

 

In your mind there is room for your normal operational entity. When you introduce a psychedelic, it begins to downsize this entity in order to perform it's function. This occurs quite literally, as your normal physical brain juices are squeezed out of their cups and replaced with the substance. On low doses, there is minimal down-sizing. This allows a largely functional sober entity to experience the effects of a psychedelic; hence, an extremely personal, emotional, down-to-earth trip came from 1 Shiva. It had roots in the vagaries of my personal affairs, my romantic life, my career life, etc.

On higher doses, the replacement is more total. There is no more "you" there to intercept the messages of the substance, to interfere with the direction of the substance; the river flows onward strongly, unimpeded by any rocks of discrete being. The psychedelic state washes over the being, and as it fades, the being returns, refreshed, renewed, reborn. Emotions, thoughts, dreams, fears, hopes, tastes, idiosyncracies, all return, but as they are rebuilt you see their half-formed structures, and can spot errors in production that are not visible when appraising a final product. You are privy to bugs in your system which are hidden in the final version by the complexity of the system, by the diffuseness of inputs and outputs. In the more "simple" psychedelic state, all mental structures are naked before your wildly magnified internal awareness, and as you catch these errors, it is in your power to various degrees to alter these systems accordingly.

We don't all keep saying "increase dose" because it makes the girls giggle, you know. If you want a universe shattering, shamanic experience of death, rebirth, and the acquirement of knowledge that would have normally taken ten thousand times as much time in normal life to achieve, you simply must do too much.

7 hofmanns would do the trick I imagine :coffee:

 

So I was right. It's when you have less control your thoughts are more clear? Hmmm, how much money do I have to spend lol.

Actually, is thoughts the right word? Or is it more of ""viewing"?

 

that made me giggle

but seriously, thanks for the response. i enjoy when you write a few paragraphs at once.

i'd love to experience the type of trip you describe, but something is holding me back from jumping all the way in. i'm pretty sure that i won't do all 7 at once. maybe 4 next time. unless i take 2 after i dose some 2ce.
i guess i'm pretty happy with the level of intensity of my trips, even though i talk like i want it to be crazier.
part of me does want a mind blowing, ego shattering trip, but i'm scared to pick up the pieces. even lower doses can leave me feeling off for a few days.

 

Can you think of one instance, ever in your life, when you had one shred of control over even one thought? I think not. All you can do is look at them, give them your attention. Their origins and destinations are a total mystery. Perhaps it is even incorrect to speak of where they "come from" and where they "go". Thoughts simply are. They can give you useful data or be your insanity. "Viewing" is a much better word. "Having less control" is not a good way to look at it, because it's not about you remaining as you are and just having less control over your mindstate, it's about any control disappearing and any "you" disappearing. There is no you to have or have not control. A naked state of impersonal awareness is what you become, eyes protruding from empty space in the cosmos. All there is is viewing, the director's commentary has been turned off. This is the point of it. To shut down the machine which filters, imbues meaning, categorizes, and creates an intellectual simulacrum of reality within your head, which we inevitably mistake for reality.

Pork, picking up the pieces is where the work gets done, where the learning happens. if you're afraid of learning then don't visit the teacher. But I feel like you still think a high dose trip will be about your little personal affairs. It's not likely it will be. my 16 hit overdose had nothing whatsoever to do with anything in my life, and everything to do with the structure of reality. The higher you go, the more abstract and deep it becomes. After a while you enter a realm where there are no more pieces to be picked up afterwards.

Anyways, feeling frazzled after a psychedelic experience is normal, part of the cost. I wouldn't read too much into it, a huge part of it is just neurochemical. I'm trying to help you understand that high dose trips are nothing like low dose trips. You are thinking of a low dose trip in your head, and magnifying the effects accordingly in your mental simulation. But that's not what they're like at all, that's the whole point.

Really I would like you to come here and tell me in your opinion what the difference is between a low dose trip and a high dose trip. Don't be afraid to be taken to a place that existed before you and will exist after you. The wild thing is that you are this place, already. You've only tricked yourself into thinking that removing all the fluff and filler in your noggin will be devastating, to said fluff and filler . Nobody likes to be downsized, that's why it won't be "you" taking this dose and ending your existence for a few hours, it will be the one in whom "you" resides and arises and is seen and watched. That watcher who sees the fears of the one called "porkstock", that entity with no parameters. That one will take the plunge. Porkstock can only tremble and despair, this is normal and healthy.

 

Well just for fun I'll give you my opinion:

The differences in experience between different doses can be quite dramatic.

In my experience, it isn't a linear magnification of effects. There's a point where perception of surroundings is not merely distorted, but stops being at all relevant. You are inside completely. At this point, there is still coherent thought, a coherent 'youness,' but it disregards that, as in my case, your face is flat on your apartment floor and you're giggling and mumbling nonsensically.

There is a second point, beyond this, where you are no longer even capable of comprehending where you really are or what's really happening, but are thrown into an experience which seems completely transcendent and new, but has a certain order and sense to it. Considering each of my really high dose trips induced different phenomena, and everyone who posts their trip expresses different things about them, I don't believe any properties of this transcendent experience can be generalized (excluding perhaps the sensation of 'oneness.')

Layers of experience. I make the blind guess that different parts of the brain eventually cannot communicate with eachother coherently with higher doses of LSD, like a dude with a heavy accent: eventually, if the accent is heavy enough, you simply cannot understand what words are being spoken, perhaps leaving you to make your own interpretations or guesses.

Also yeah, reflecting on big LSD trips where the universe and myself went completely away was rather uninterpretable immediately after the experience, but months after I created an understanding of it I am satisfied with, and learned how to integrate it into my world view.

The problem is that the experience is SO SALIENT that you feel a little crazy for believing how relevant it could be to your understanding of your own existence, and how naive you could've been before the experience. It's quite jarring!

 

i've only taken "moderate" doses. 4 hits of pretty good blotter was probably my highest dose -at least within the last few years.

it's hard to say how it was different than just one or two of the same stuff. it was more intense for sure, but it flowed easily. that's the trip where i was feeling my consciousness drift/dissolve into the snowy wilderness around me.

it's getting late, so i'll think about this some more another time.

writer, did you mention somewhere that 2 hoffmans (or something recently) was almost as strong as your 16 hit OD?

 

Ambient psychedellic music really kicks it up a notch for me (and many others).

That report you said about melting into the snow would have been strong enough IMO. State of mind is also very important too, if you wanna keep busy, and not allow yourself to 'drift across' you won't (unless super high dose ), relax turn off your mind and float downstream Some schpongle next time would be perfect i reckon! (but i dont want to impose my ideas ).

And to others worried about increasing the amount, it really is a completely different experience when you break through. Divine. I don't 'love' anything but that amount to be honest.

"Beware the dreaded under-dose".

 

Pork you really do have to go for a high dose LSD trip and not fear it. I think you more so than alot of us here can do alot with a high dose LSD trip and I think it would be more like working with the pieces for you as opposed to 'picking up the pieces.' Writer is right that the farther you travel on LSD the more abstract it becomes. The impression I get from you is of being very meticulous and thorough in what you do and I think you could implement a heavy LSD trip usefully into your life better than most based on what I can tell of your character.

 

i'm not quite as meticulous in real life, as i am on here when talking about psychedelics. maybe i am.
someday i will take that high dose. but probably not for my next two trips. next will be 2ce at a concert, and after that will be at a music festival. the place is in woods, very small and very chill, so maybe that could be a great setting for 4 or 5 hoffmans.

grinners, about what you said about keeping busy and not allowing yourself to drift off - i think that's exactly what i do. i'm either walking around exploring the park, or laying down listening to music. when i sit or lay for a few minutes and "meditate" i can feel the trip 10X more.

with 4 white blotters, that's when i was sitting on a bench in the snow, and the image of a couple snowflakes melting when they hit the bench, made me feel like my body and mind were doing the same thing. i allowed the feeling to kinda take over me for only a few minutes before i snapped myself out of it. worried about people around me, even though i tell myself i don't have to worry. i could really use the private woods that my parents own for a time like this.

 

I tried to reply last night, but my isp was down

It's hard to pin things down to one experience or another. Like you say the high dose ones tend to stand out.
The most prevalent thing that I feel psychedelics have had a part in is the developing of a "third party perspective" in regards to how I go about my daily life. It's like maintaining or at least trying to maintain that brutally honest mode when looking and considering my life and actions.
The last time I did cactus I noticed that the frame of reference that it provided was much as my normal state. It didn't used to be that way at all.
I guess I just don't bullshit myself anymore. Not to say that I always act in a way that would be in accordance with some higher mode of thinking, I don't, but I am painfully aware of it when I'm not.

One bit of wisdom that I will try to impart to you youngsters is that even though psychedelics can often give you a glimpse "behind the scenes" of life and human interaction, don't get overly hung up on what you learn. Make note of it, integrate it into your life to the best of your ability, but don't stop participating in the game simply because you understand how the gears work. Too often those that don't "come back" have obsessed over the mechanics of life and have forgotten how to play the game and enjoy it for what it is. I think we all have been there to one degree or another and maybe even know someone who has gotten obsessed with it.

Just because you know the set is paper mache' and cardboard doesn't mean you can't enjoy the play.

Yeah, yeah, we are all one at the most basic level.
Yeah when we hurt another we are hurting ourselves as we are all part of the same organism known as humanity.
Yup there are horrible atrocities taking place.
"If they could only see!"
But that should not be reason to stop being an active participant in this play we are all in.
Sadly some can not get past these revelations and use them to more fully live life.

That is the best thing that I have learned with the assistance of psychedelics. Seeing past the veil of the illusion of daily life, yet use it to enrich life rather than mourn it.

I hope that made sense.

 

When talking about the differences between high dose and low dose trips I found this very interesting;

LSD often has a biphasic response in which low doses have the opposite effects of higher doses. The head twitch response in rodents is believed to be 5-HT2 mediated. At low doses, it has been found that LSD elicits a head-twitch response while at higher doses it antagonizes the response. The rat startle reflex is amplified at low dosages of LSD while decreased at higher doses. This biphasic behavior can also be explained if LSD behaves as a partial agonist.

In summary, this theory claims that: "LSD is a high-affinity, low efficacy, nonselective 5-HT agonist; in the absence of another agonist it may function as an agonist, whereas in the presence of a high efficacy agonist, it will function as an antagonist."

quoted from this: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~ivl/writing/non_fiction/lsd/

Basically what it is saying is that there is evidence that LSD effects synaptic activity differently depending upon dose.

Subjectively, I can see that happening in the drastic difference between high and low dose experiences.

Remember the subjective effects are still mediated by the chemical effect in our brains. The content is provided by you.