One question

You think, me, of all people, don't have respect?
I am truly sorry for your loss, but there are pictures posted here that offend me as well. Is it in no way disciminatory toward anyone.

Some people do. But I will change the picture. To something, "less" offensive.

 

I 100% agree with the right to freedom of speach and freedom of expression. But, posting those pictures my friend is just bad taste - have some respect towards not just me, but anyone who lost a loved one in the WTC. I'm sure there are images on here that offend you too, but honestly what's the point of you posting these? What are trying to prove? Are they symbolic of your conservative roots and there to back up your stance on these issues? So you support the war in Iraq - that's fine, I am not 100% against the war and I'm very liberal. My point is concerning respect, which you obviously have none of. I hate to bash on you because of your age because from what I've read, you're a very intelligent young man, but have some class.

 

Which ones offend you Mav? The ones of dead Iraqis? Thats a little bit biased dont you think? I suppose a picture of a soldier spattered in mud, sporting full combat gear, holding an M-16 with a picture of the American flag behind him would make you swell with pride. Nationalism is funny thing. This guy killing with our corperate logo is more rightious then the brown guy with his logo... Get a clue man. Sadams out of power and still the revolt continues. But its this other real evil fuck right? Their ALL gonna be evil fucks until we get someone we like in charge. The question goes unanswered and brushed away.

WHY. ARE. CIVILIAN. DEATHS. OK. FOR. LIBERATION?

Saying that its ok because were not as bad as someone else is damn right spitable. The issue isn't terrorists hiding, not us telling people to go inside (like our troops dont use buildings for cover... laughable)
Where do you get your facts from? WHERE?! I listened just last week to an intervie of Iraqi civilian giving testament to his arrest and mistreatment WITH OUT CHARGE! He was even outspoken about his opposition to Sadams regiem. They just arested him and held him for over month without letting him see his familly, who had no idea what happened to him for several weeks, and never charging him with anything. Please Mr. America. Explain that to me if you can.

 

It's a reminder of what kind of evil we're facing. It's a reminder of why we have to do this. It's a reminder that we can't allow this to happen again.

And by the way Lunacy, I have no problems with the photos of dead Iraqi's which are obviosly the focal points of liberal media, completely disreguarding the good we do. Have you ever seen pictures like these on the news? No, because God forbid anyone see's the real Iraq.

 

You know what... Your right. We should cut out a stencil of the WTC attack and spray paint it on every single enemy, because its all the same isnt it? Well we can make it that way. I have seen those pictures. They are smiling faces of children, who may or may not understand whats happening to their country right now. I've seen video footage of the place. Does it make up for all the killing? No. Not in my eyes it doesnt. What are the children going to learn about their country's current events? Are we going to be truthful or lie? Tell me... Will the passage read "Sadam Husain commited mass murders and was removed from office by United States President George W. Bush." or will it read "Sadam Husain was an oppressive leader who commited mass murders of his citizens. Through illegal tactics United States President went to war with Iraq in search of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD.) None were found and the United States objective was now to liberate the people of Iraq. With Husain captured and revolts still occuring, US occupation increased as well as civilian deaths. As the US goverment tried to establish new rule, several chosen leader were killed in car bombs." Which do you think were going to tell the Iraqi children? Its also ironic how you describe the pictures in the same way that the title of the page say, "Pictures you wont see on the news" Well guess what... I have seen them. You think the same set of pictures being recycled over and over makes for justification? Then again you must since you keep using WTC as your logo for war.

 

Several studies have shown that more Japanese civilians would have been killed if we had invaded the home islands as we did Normandy. That does not include the vast number of dead American and Japanese troops. I know a man who was on his way to the south pacific to prepare for an invasion when he got word that the Japanese had surrendered due to those two nuclear bombs. I believe he said the estimated average life expectancy of soldiers once they set foot on the beach was 30 to 40 seconds.

Also remember that you now object to nuclear weapons largely because of the effects of radiation which of course last far longer than the actual blast. But before Hiroshima a grand total of one(1) nuclear device had been detonated in the history of the world, so there was not a lot of study done on the after-effects of the weapon. It had been invented with the express purpose of ending a horrible war which had already claimed the lives of millions upon millions. This it did, very effectively.

 

No it didnt, no there woundnt have been. It has been SPECULATED that more would die. There would be no way to prove the amount of deaths that would result. With Germany's surrender, Japan was now alone in the war. We had no idea the intense power of the nuclear bomb. Yes the Trinity experiment she some light but still, we didnt have any idea that it would be as powerful as it was. You think the pilot of the Enola Gay said "My god what have we done?" with a little chuckle afterword?

 

Granted, we could never be certain how many deaths would have resulted, but as I say, studies have suggested it. Studies conducted long after the war and based on our experience in Europe.

It was that very intense power that ended the war. It was so much that Japan's emperor did not believe that Hiroshima had been wiped off the map. Unfortunately for his people, his unwillingness to accept the fact led to the need for a second bomb

As for the pilot of the Enola Gay, I would not be at all suprized if he said that. I sure as hell would be in church as soon as i got home asking for forgiveness. But I would do the same if I had only killed one person. However, if I knew that dropping that one bomb would save the lives of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of my fellow soldiers, I would do it. Sometimes you have to do things that you really dont like.

 

Thanks Maverick, thanks for proving that you are nothing but an ignorant sixteen year old punk by keeping your signature pic up here. America fucking knows what a tragedy 9/11 was. There is no one in america who doesn't remember it. Maybe you need to get with the times - why not have Nick Bergs beheading as your picture? Let's really drive home the point of the evil out there that we need to 'destroy'.

There are so many people that have a personal connection to the WTC tragedy and don't need to see these horifying photos - WE LOST LOVED ONES IT IS ETCHED IN OUR BRAIN CLEAR AS DAY. You are not reminding anyone of anything. All americans remember 9/11 clear as day. I can promise you that anyone who lost a loved one during this tragedy would be against posting these pictures.

Honestly, I think the pictures are nothing but a cover up for your lack of intelligence with words and world politics. What's the matter? Can't prove a point without pictures? It's 100% week Maverick.

It really is ridiculous. I honestly don't know of anyone in the world who would even bother posting such pictures to support their political views. No one on this site other than you has. Go ahead support the war - I won't argue your opinion on that, but I can promise you that those who lost a loved one completely disresptect you posting these pictures. Just fucking grow up would ya?

Honestly, I know you're 16, but try and be a MAN and have some class and respect for those who did lose someone in the tragedy - no one needs this kind of reminder - except for maybe you - a 16 year old pathetic child who has no respect for others.

You know, its just fucked up. Someone who lost their best friend asks nicely for you to pull the pictures down and you can't respect it. What if it was one of your loved ones who died during the tragedy? Would you want a reminder like that everyday?

 

Quit dodging my point, DarkLunacy. French civilians were killed by US bombs in WW 2. Therefore we didn't liberate France? Explain.

Also, as far as I know, NPR has never polled Iraqis on anything. The only reference I could find on a poll was this one (http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1769625) which says:

Isn't that strange?

 

I am only telling you what I heard just last month, acompanied by Iraqi interviews. All you gotta do is listen. As far as the French go, does bombing them mean its ok? Is killing small children ok in the end because we are doing "the right thing?" Simply saying "Oh we killed the French and uh liberated them so fuck it" No that is not a reason why it is ok to kill. So if it seems like I'm dodging the point its only because you don't have one.

 

I honestly don't know what it's like to lose a human being that's close to you. I don't know how it feels. But I know it is something you are going to have to deal with anyway.
I tried to help by switching to a less intense picture. That didn't help. If pictures that remind you of your friend cause that much discomfort, I'm sure you have pictures of this friend as well. Will those not remind you?
I refuse to take the picture down, unless Skip himself asks me to. The picture is in no way hateful, or disrespectful, unlike many others I see here. If it were a picture of a Nazi Flag, or a KKK poster, that would be different. But it is a picture of an event. An event that is now etched into America's history. Whether you like it or not, you will see it other places.

 

Mav let me ask you something? Are you enlisted? When you turn 18 are they gonna ship you off? I ask because you have all this fighting spirit and I wanna know if its just bullshit or not. The fact that you feel its nessasary or patriotic (or whatever the fucks going on in your head) to display that picture makes you an ignorant bastard. I am positve dhs has pictures of his friend and I'm pretty sure he wants to remember him the way he was in those photos, not picturing the grim way he lost his life. It doesnt inspire people to rise to the cause of America, it isn't patrotic, its sick and ignorant.

 

It's sick and ignorant to you people.

 

Answer the question! Are you enlisted?! And it is sick because the redundency of the images is not nessasary! We understand what happened! WE KNOW THE PAIN AND WERE STILL AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR! DONT YOU GET IT?! Its painful to some people who lost friends and familly to see a snot nosed brat like you throwing it out there as if its no big deal

 

You think it's no big deal to me? Pictures of my nation being attacked by Islamic Extremists and killing 2000+ civilians doesn't mean something to me. You're ignorant.

 

Maverick - posting these pictures is showing NO RESPECT to those who died in this tragedy and towards the loved ones of those who died. Yes I have pictures of my great friend and you know they remind of the great times we had, but for you to throw a picture that only reminds me and anyone who else that lost someone close of how, when, where and why they died is utter disrespect. By showing this lack of respect towards the dead, you are showing any utter lack of respect towards your country.

 

I don't think it's disrespectful at all. If he had a snide comment with the picture, it would be disrespectful. But as it is, that picture is just a piece of history which means a lot to him and many others as well. Would it be disrespectful of me to post a picture of Auchwitz with the caption "Never forget" below it? The fact is that some of history is terrible, and we should not ignore it. Maybe the picture is horrible, maybe its politically incorrect, and maybe you dont like it, but that makes it all the more important that we remember and never allow it to happen again. I am truly sorry for your loss, and I agree that you should remember the good times you had together with your friend. But don't allow yourself to forget the terrible lessons of history either.

 

Look it at this on a more personal level people. If your family died in a van blown up by terrorists how would you feel if I posted the pictures of the van? Honestly think about - how would you feel?

 

Thats a question of context. Are you posting pictures of the van to praise what the terrorists did or to show what happens when people allow themselves to be brainwashed enough to become terrorists?