One of those Getting to know you threads lol

I did that in college - my organic chemistry II teacher loved cats, and I had lost my lab book - and then he announced that turnin it in was going to account for like 40% of our GRADE- so instead i drew him a book of cats and turned that in instead- I got a zero but hey it was innovative ! and aside from that blooper I still got As on every single Organic Chem II Test I ever took!

 

some doctors acknowledge a patient smoking weed even though it isnt prescribed or legal, very very few will let it slide.

 

See that's what was so cool , my psychiatrist was ok with it, but now that I'm unemployed and can't work anymore I can only get something through a prescription , and my only other Drug Of Choice would be Opiates- but could I convince my psychiatrist to perscribe opiates off label for bi polar II , ptsd, to replace the marijuana? (the 420, topamax, and valium combo was perfect but due to the amount of weed i was smoking I cant afford it unemployed anymore, but my parents will pay my perscriptions ya see

 

I'm originally from Clarion, pa near cooks forest, plenty of room to grow your own pot out there. Gota watch out for the game commission though. They are every where. Pa is big on their wildlife

 

To the OP: Send me a Private Message of all of the medications you have already tried (and how each worked) as well as any psychotherapies. That is the only way I will be able to think of a new idea that you already have not tried.

Thanks.

 

Severine: I attempted to send you a Private Message, but you must have it accidentally blocked or something- it wouldn't go through. Try to go to your User Control Panel to change this.

I would like to discuss the meds and therapy in more detail one-to-one so I can think of a better plan for you. Let me know if it works. If not, we can continue to use this post to brainstorm ideas. I have a few ideas up my sleeve, but I need to know what shit you have already tried. So basically, you have the following:

1. SSRIs- no success?
2. Effexor- bad
3. Adderall or Ritalin- bad
4. Antipsychotics- bad (which one's though?)
5. Lamictal- ???
6. Remeron- ??
7. Other anti convulsive "mood stabilizers"- bad?
8. DBT- didn't work
9. Cbt- didn't work
10. rational emotive therapy-??
11. cannabis- works well
13. Diazepam- works well
14. Topamax- works okay with Cannabis only
15. Stronger opioids- pretty good

Help me fill in the list and tell me what the result ws for the things I have question marks next to above.

 

I can tell you almost 100% that no psychiatrist outside of maybe a very small experimental study at somewhere like Johns Hopkins Medical Center would NOT prescribe opioids for mental illness. I got into a big fight with my psychiatrist over this. He just told me that he would likely loose his license over it. So, I went to a Suboxone doctor after 'making myself addicted' to opioids (taking Tramadol daily for five months) and then over the course of six months, made him realize that I was there for psychological reasons the whole time. I had to hop through A LOT of red tape.

 

Hey! I don't think I'm allowed to receive Private Messges- to I hve to pay 15 dolllars for that? LOL! Or just earn more points? oh well I'm gonn finish the question marks out on your survey- and NOW I understand why you get the suboxone!! bc you had to be an opoid addict first, I don't think my psychiatrist is that much of a rascal to set that up, although how brilliant it would be! Well, thefollowoing isyour chart:

I would like to discuss the meds and therapy in more detail one-on-one so I can think of a better plan for you. Let me know if it works. If not, we can continue to use this post to brainstorm ideas. I have a few ideas up my sleeve, but I need to know what shit you have already tried. So basically, you have the following:

1. SSRIs- no success AT ALL
2. Effexor- hasn't made any diff- i just can't get off it bc the detox is worse than opoid addiction from what I'm told
3. Adderall or Ritalin- bad - yes- HATE UPPERS, agitaation- I wanna mellow the fuck outQQ
4. Antipsychotics-Risperal, Geodon, Zyprexa, Seroquel, and I haven't tried it bc i'm scared to bc of my reactions to all the former, but my psychiastrist prescribed perphenazine 2 mg 1 tablet up to 3 times a day if i i ever feel really out of control (but I've never needed it so never took it , and I'm terrified of antipscyhcotics b/cthey make my extremely active brain feel like i had a lobotomy, he also perscribed me Buspar if I needed it on top of Valium but I haven't and have no interest in it, as I know it produces no high

5. Lamictal- drs have been hesitant b/c of the rash, and have had a bizarre unexplained rash experince in thepast befroe sotheywon'ttry it
6. Remeron- what is that?
7. Other anti convulsive "mood stabilizers"- neurontin- it was helpful,not as helpful as topamax, but I couldn't takehigh dosages w/o too mugh tingling in my back- even w topamax the only thing i hate is the tingling in my toes lol but that's way better than my back, plus controls SYMPTONS WAY BETTER, but ONLY in conjunction WITH POT

8. DBT- its ok, i commit to it, id just so rather have a hearthelt discussion about how I relate to Raskolnikov from Dostoevsky's Crime & Punishment, and not destroy the beauty of itby trying to make it "rationale" but embrace and honor the feelings

9. Cbt-that, along with DBT iswhat ive alwys been in, and its made me WAY worse bec i just had a bad therapist AND psychiatrist for awhile, and I'm not so sure agout this one yet either

10. rational emotive therapy- what is that ? That word rational makes me nervous lol!!!

11. cannabis- WONDERRULR except for tolerance

13. Diazepam- works well

14. Topamax- works okay with Cannabis only

15. Stronger opioids- roxidcodone was hands down the best high i ever had in my life- it reminded my first trip to Paris- dream come true where not only were all my hope fufilled, but it was even better then I ever could have imagined lol:love::love:

 

Ok. I am typing on my iPad, so bear with my possible typing mistakes...

I have looked over the thread and having gotten to know you (S.C.) in the last few days, I feel like I might be able to throw out some suggestions.

It seems like you must be overly stimulated. I actually believe a good part of this is coming from your taking Effexor. It is known to throw Bipolars (especially Bipolar II's for some unknown reason...) into racing thoughts. I would lower the dose incrementally and ask your psych. the best way to get off of it. That should help some of the insanity.

I also want to know what dose of Topamax you are on. If you are on a lower-end dose, it may be worthwhile to raise the dose and see what happens. Of course, speak to the doctor first. There is another anticonvuslant mood stabilizer, Depakote that is available and would probably help you a lot, but I have heard that the side effects are strong. But know, at least, that it is out there.

Avoiding the antipsychotics is okay. I am BP I Schizoaffective, so I need them as part of my regimen. You do not.

Remeron is an atypiCal antidepressant. It is very relaxing and anti-agitating. It is renown for that effect. However, it can cause weight gain and excessive sleepiness. But my great aunt who was going to off herself was put on the drug, and she jumped out of her deep depression in a week. She did not suffer any side effects. I would consider this medication in place of Effexor.

The Diazepam is fine. Keep taking it. Some day you might be able to go down, but that is not of our current concern.

As for the Cannabis and opioids, know this one caveat about opioids: you build a monstrous tolerance. You can go from having 5mg of Oxycodone making you high to needing 60mg of it to get high in a month flat. Cannabis doesn't exhibit such a strong tolerance. I would stay away from opioids except in last resort. They are expensive just like pot is!

As for the pot itself, I think you should find out if there are ways you can get it cheaper, even consider self-growing. Also, as radical as it sounds, consider moving to another state with good medical Cannabis laws. Maryland just passed a ruling saying it wouldn't prosecute medical users, and I believe New Jersey has a full-on medical program! However, my state of Delaware is pretty pot-unfriendly. It is more of a "pill head" state. My Suboxone doctor tells me horror stories of how many opioid pill addicts there are in Wilmington DE. He knows now that I pretty much 'faked' being addicted, and now enjoys treating me for my depression, as he can tell other doctors about it. But the majority of the people as patients are in very precarious situations. They never look particularly happy like i am on Suboxone!!

Please reply and keep the dialogue going so you can find an idea to help you.

 

My computer is fucked up so forgive my typos in on my iPhone! I did try depakote, and lithium to no avail, got really I'll on wellbutrin and abilify, and I would have to fetid in a hospital for effexor- that's how bad it is- plus- I mean you have seen my pics, I'm not fat, but what u see is LITERALLY 40 lbs of weight gain from meds (thank CHRIST I used to be skinny ) so if remeron is a weight gainer forget it! But the upper stuff like wellbutrin triggered tinnitus and psychosis

 

You look fine. I went from 137 pounds to 195 pounds on the combination I am on! However, few people have said i looked overweight. I hide it very very well and I suspect a lot of it is water weight.

So why can't you go down on the Effexor? And what is your Topamax dose?

 

And also, without pot, I would need at LEAST 60 mg of Valium daily and forever, bit just through a rough patch, bc my whole life is a rough patch lol

 

Oh 100 mg topamax in morning, 100 mg at night

And 150 mg effexor daily-

 

Bec the min they try and taper I bec physically sick, hallucinate, bec violent and psychotic, it's HELL

 

Yeah. Effexor w/d is horrible and it is notorious for it. Ironically, it has been shown by some doctors that opioids can ease Effexor w/d because they believe Effexor acts on the opioid receptors (not very much, but enough to give w/d if taken for years!). The Topamax dose seems pretty reasonable. Could you get away with moving to a more pot-friendly state?

 

well this is an interesting updte, just talked to my therapist who said he wants to try and replace the pot with lamictal or tegretal- maybe that way I can just cut back to like a half a month and then be able to afford it on my budget?

He was so adorable, I was like, How about you just give me a low dose of roxycodone, and he was like, "aww, I'm sorry, I really don't think that's the best option." He's so polite and nonjudgemntal, even cause I straight up told him i discovered it by railing a 30 with my friend the other week- i mean a psychiatrist like that is a diamond in the rough- i can tell him anything, ask him for anything, and he never judges me, and while he doesn't give me the roxy, I love him even more for that bc I know he keeps me safe!

PS PLUS HE'S HILARIOUS he is like, ughh, I can't BELIEVE your parents aren't giving you money for your pot!!

If i had the money to get out of the state POOF i'd be GONE

 

maybe you should have suggested suboxone or subutex, that has a ceiling where as the roxi doesnt....u could end up taking x amount of roxi to get "high" were as the suboxone you cant do that.....just a thought.....

 

well ironically my dr suggested tramadol, but that doesn't do shit for me, he told me to look over the boring list of humdrum thingsthat won't get me high lol, should I suggest suboxone to him tomorrow, and since effexor apparently messes w your opiate receptors, hence the danger in detoxing out of a hospital, I can use that as an excuse perhaps??

 

My Sub experience has been stedily going down hill since beginning of 2nd week. I mean ive got no problems with Subs as far as its ability to limit some pain and keep me normal, fact i use 2-6mgs/day instead of the 24mgs/day im scripted. My problem is no energy. Dr scripted Nuvigil and my energy is back up, not speeding, just more motivated to get things done. Now the problem is I have an extremely short fuse. I go off over nothing, even to the point of screaming at the TV. Within last 3 days ive included yelling at my Mom over the phone. At 80yrs old, she didnt much appreciate that. Ive decided im going to end my Subs Journey. I have about 2 months worth left and im thinking of trying to ween off. I mean i just went through withdrawals almost completely 3 weeks ago, i may as well get lower om my dose and when im at 1mg for a week, ill ride it out. At that point, IDK. We Will See, all i know is my behavior is deplorable.....!

 

oh that's good to know b/c w/o the pot i can have quite the short fuse too! i take it out on myself but god i can't take something that may cause aggravation. God i gotta get to a state where pot is medicinally legalized!