on the subject of mass shootings

i forget the thread and who i was talking to but i mentioned to someone about what drugs the most recent shooter was on because of this list. so here is the list.

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

 

It is important to be careful in equating correlation with causation. It could just be that, since these individuals were clearly disturbed and many had obvious mental health issues, they were just more likely to be medicated. The medications may have had no impact on their actions.

Also, many people take these medications without the side effect of grabbing a gun and slaughtering people.

Definitely something that requires some serious consideration and research, though.

 

Maybe the drugs have different reactions in adults and adolescents

The majority listed above are adolescents

 

The drugs in question do have a different effect on adolescents than most adults... The warnings are right on the dosing guide that doctors are supposed to read. Usually they don't and go by what the drug reps tell them, this is usually not factual. They have similar reaction in some adults also, suicidal tendencies, rage, extreme anxiety, basically the side effect list could be swapped with the "treatment for" list and no one would notice. They are inherently dangerous and over prescribed. They are also tricky little fucks if you miss a dose or two. Grabbing a gun and shooting people up? yeah I can see it happening.


Am I biased? Yes! Cymbalta almost killed me. Literally. I didn't have a gun... so that went well. My van didn't run, lucky there. (road rage is another common occurrence with these drugs, do you know what meds that guy next to you is on, or just skipped a dose of?) I live alone, so it was just me... in hell... for a week or two. Never was or will be the same person after that.

 

i bet they all drank water too


maybe the water is causing it

 

i would think that it's not the meds causing people to act crazy, but the disorders they take the meds for. i kno ppl that take some of those meds and they definitely act crazy but i'm not sure it's the meds making them act that way, cuz they seem to act crazier when they start doin other drugs cuz they usually stop taking their meds when they start doing a lot of hard drugs. the hard drugs im sure dont help either.

i've always wondered tho why antidepressants have a suicide warning?

 

Anti-depressants = lobotomies in pill form.

 

I cant break away from suicidal ideation when taking psychiatric drugs .. they just make me worse in the most unhappy way possible.

 

not everybody takes anti-depressants

 

I wonder why the drugs were prescribed to the kids.

I also wonder how aware their parents were and how good the doctor was.

I'm sure their are natural remedies that could have helped them unless they had severe schizophrenia.

The pharmaceutical company has become a business, that is the real killer...$$$

 

I had a friend in high school who was put on various medications for depression and went bat shit crazy. She wasn't crazy before the medications, just depressed.

some of these kids listed above weren't being treated for psychosis in any form, they were being treated for depression. I know correlation doesn't mean causation but I lean towards theorizing that some of these medications do involve psychotic episodes and breaks from reality, especially in the developing brain of an adolescent.

doctors should be careful about placing children on anti depression and anti-psychotic medication until more studies have been done, at the very least.

 

just because a persons records show prescription drugs does not mean that person took those meds.....many problems are from people with mental illness that wont take their meds properly

if you look at my records they show copious amounts of oxy contin but I didn't take any of them...if I go on a mass shooting spree someone somewhere will post that it was the oxy that made me crazy

ftr I have no desire to shoot anyone

 

when people refuse to take their meds, odds are really good, the meds perscribed for them weren't really the best they could have been.

i still think we really don't need to mass produce fire arms at all.

sure the wrong people might always find some way to get ahold of them if they're around, but what if they're simply not around?

 

part of the misconception involving prescriptions is that you do not see the success stories and you do see the fail stories

world [ and this website btw ] is full of competent people taking meds for mental illnesses where the meds work and do what the doctors claim they do.

 

I think sometimes the wrong meds are prescribed too. Someone with psychosis shouldn't take antidepressant I wouldn't think.

 

Let's face it, antidepressants are mind-altering drugs that affect the natural chemistry of your brain and therefore have the potential to cause unpredictable results. Their use has long been associated with psychotic episodes in certain individuals. This has been known for years. You could argue all day about whether or not antidepressants played a role in these school shootings, but the fact of the matter is that antidepressants can cause a person to act irrationally. I really have nothing good to say about these drugs, and I think it's bothersome just how many people are on them these days.