On reaching a consensus re mass shootings in the U.S.

I have no respect for the Clintons after seeing them in action during the 90s, but I don't "hate" them. I wanted to see her presidential attempt fail and was willing to vote for anyone who ran against her, which I did. I would have preferred Bernie, but I was stuck with Trump. What mattered to me most was NOT getting stuck with the Clintons.

 

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Bernie sanders is a socialist

 

+1000

 

1 resouce officer per 100 kids. Armed with a full auto 7.62 rifle

 

On Monday, the teachers of Oklahoma are going out on strike because, thanks to our tax-cut happy Republican legislature, we're 49th in the nation in teacher pay (on the average $14,000 a year lower than in neighboring Texas). and have the lowest spending per pupil, $7,466, and the highest teacher-to-student ratio (1:16), textbooks and supplies are in short supply and furniture in falling apart. And now we're supposed to provide 1 armed resource person per 100 kids? Why don't we just close them all?

 

Agreed, but he wasn't a Clinton. He's also way out on the fringes as opposed to being an establishment lackey, like so many in Washington. All I wanted was someone very different from the kinds of choices we have had since Nixon.

As for the topic, the Genie is out of the bottle and has been since Columbine. But at the same time, the need for brick and mortar schools has been obliterated by the internet. So why are we still going though the motions of the 20th century school model? Heck, most of that evolved from the 19th century model.

The corporate world is shooting ahead with learning management systems that only need a fraction of the teachers and then only for course development and sessions where a "friendly" face is a benefit. Otherwise a lot of the courses look more like cartoons than dry, aged subject matter pushed forth in a crumbling old building by union instructors who use grade denial to enforce discipline. If they don't have student discipline under control by 6th grade, they will never have control.

And that's where we are now. We have lost control of our schools entirely. From apathetic "leadership" to burned out teachers and cafeteria staff who see no problem with picking food up from the floor and tossing it right back in the pot American schools have become a losing bet for MOST of the students. And they are forced to go there while homeowners are forced to pay for it.

In Georgia there are a couple of online charter schools that are doing very well with the 6-12 students but have problems with the k-6 students. Maybe K-6 is where we should concentrate the brick and mortar resources with a keen eye toward teaching them to be independent learners. Perhaps the landmarks they are required to meet don't have to be grade or even age specific. t would mean the end of failing a grade (though that is basically where we have been for decades thanks to "social promotion".

But social promotion is necessary under the current model or we'd have 18 year old tenth graders. Oh yea, we already do.

The bottom line though is that we need t enforce discipline if we insist on using this old fashioned education model. Only then can we hope to reverse the cycle of violence in our schools that is clearly escalating.

 

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These days the kids are being warehoused and drugged like cattle. If your kid shows any signs of not being a nice quiet cow, the school may insist you take them to a shrink and have them prescribe something. If that doesn't work, they ship them off to a school for those whom drugs alone don't work. That way, the school has total deniability for legal purposes. The idea that these schools must apply discipline to students who often live with alcoholic and abusive parents, may even be sexually molested, is a joke in bad taste when many of them are lucky if they can afford to feed the kid lunch.

In many cases, these shootings are committed by people who are under extensive mental health care and, of course, there are almost no facilities to house them in. Until they actually break the law, there is no reason to put them in prison.

 

I don't bother anymore. There isno use trying to discuss anything rationally with trump-gun loving gostoppo people who infiltrate and dominate everywhere and everything.