On a dare...

I dunno bout amazing... I got kinda stoned as hell though so I guess I'm a hypocrite. ^-^

Course organic foods healthy, and so is regular produce... organic food just costs three times as much and doesn't produce as much per acre... its ya money.

Good vibes are boring.

 

heh, i do have to say you did stir up a lot of contraversy (spelling?)

whether you meant what you said i dont know because i have no idea who you are

 

Eh, It was like 4 months ago and I was kinda bored... this thread just doesn't wanna die.

It's X-mas now, and I don't wanna cause too many problems... Everything I said was true though.

 

you got a point there

 

Bless the Cheezemakers!

 

But unfortunately I have to write a 5 page essay on it for my philosophy class... I'm most probably bashing it, though.

 

Tis February and still going..... crazy.

 

you're making such great friends here
but, i do agree with a lot of it...
potheads can be quite boring - that's why i have harder drugs = P
organic food is actually more healthy - it doesn't have impurities in it
yes, so many people make crap homemade things - i do, apart from my music - which rocks
phish i hardly even know, and what i have heard was nothing spectacular
no, bush really isn't the root of all our problems, you're right. firstly, i'm english, and although tony blair absolutely bums bush, its not a biggie - the country is in a good state - not perfect, but far better than its been in a while - the government does their best to patch up racism etc...
communism is a nice, fair idea, but it doesn't work at all, so its dumb
and anarchy is absolutely dumbass - any hippy who wants that is stupid. main reason: most hippies can't win a fight, having been so peaceful all these years, and the violent people who can fight, would end up ruling the world...

you brought up some very "hippy" topics there, opposed to all of them, and i agreed with you on most...

 

This threads 6 months old, so I was gonna ignoe it, but this I can't ignore...

First what do you think an impurity is? Define it scientifically.

Before hybrid drops are sold commercially in the US they must be approved by the FDA, the EPA and the USDA. Hybrid crops are the most widely researched crops ever.

In the US and the UK, theres too much food, technology has given us abundance.

Agricultural scientists have created hybrid crops which produce much more food per acre, and have more nutrients in them.

One example is Golden rice, a strain of rice developed which has significant amounts of vitamin a, an essential nutrient not usually found in rice. This can help parts of the world which rice is a major crop and blindness caused by vitamin a defecincy is a major problem.

http://www.biotech-info.net/GR_tale.html

Iron is another important nutrient which can be infused in produce through hybrid crops, which will help ease the scourge of anemia which effects hundreds of millions of people.

The organic food crowd ignores the basic premises of agriculture, organic food is still transported by trucks, its kept refrigerated so it will stay better longer, you wash it off in you sink, theres no food produced without technology.

And all crops today are the result of plant pathology, mixing genes of one strain of a plant with another, and choosing the strongest strain. This has been going on for thousands of years, and all food crops, organic and non, are the process of this. In traditional plant pathology, you mix 50,000 genes of one plant, with 50,000 genes of another plant. With hybrid crops, only a few special genes are replaced to make a more ideal crop. Hybrid crops are just the natural advancment of plant pathology.

It's fine if you wanna eat organic produce, but the rest of the world doesn't have that luxury. Hybrid crops have already saved millions of lives, and have the potential to save hundreds of millions more. They produce more food per acre, so poor populations will be able to produce more food, they are less resistant to natural pests and can survive harsher climates of the third world, that5 means less pesticides have to be used on them.

These poor people have dirt, they have water, they have the sun.

They lack the machinery to harvest moor of this food, they lack advanced farming methods, and the infastructure to deliver this food, and they lack the hybrid crops that produce more food per acre.

Alll legitamate research has found that GM crops have sufficient nutritional value when compared to non GM crops.

http://www.foodnavigator.com/news/news.asp?id=48499
http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/news.asp?id=3745
http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech_info/articles/myths.html
http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech_info/articles/art_index.html
http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech_info/articles/peer-reviewed-pubs.html

Dr. Patrick Moore, the founder of greenpeace, also recognises this and joined more then 3,000 scientists supporting GM crops.

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech_info/pr/moore.html

 

whats this thread about

 

Theres one simple fact, organic food doesn't use pesticides in it's production. Non organic foods contain higher levels of dangerous carcinogens that get into the food chain through the pesticides that they are sprayed with. Cattle that are fed on non oraganic crops ingest and build-up higher levels of the pesticides and pollutants, all of which end up in the consumers body.

Geneticially modified crops are not produced to help out poor countries, they're produced by private companies because they can profit from them. There is no consumer choice or welfare associated with any of it. If there was they wouldn't have been forced upon the market before long term and thorough testing had taken place. I am not against GM production in the long run, but it has been rushed through for financial gain and unless we are extremely lucky we will pay the price sooner or later. Do you not remember the BSE crisis? That was a product of the same system, relaxation of legislation for increased profit.

 

Marijuana makes you boring.

Organic food isn't any better for you retards.

The stuff you make at home fucking blows.

Phish has never made any descent music and appeals to burn out losers.

Bush isn't the root of all your problems.

Communisms a stupid idea and just some crap marx spat out while stroking himself some tuesday.

You kids wouldn't last ten minutes in anarchy.

Nothing makes anyone boring, to bore is a choice just like anger, depression, or happiness. If a drug can make one boring, imagine how easily other people can control their emotions.
Organic food is measureably better for you. It has higher levels of many key minerals and lower levels of poison, aka pest/herbicide.
And most importantly of all, 40% of the time it is actually organic.
Stuff made at home? I am clueless, so in the spirit of modern society, I will say you are wrong, and it is just some wacko conspiracy theory you offered.
Phish, honestly never heard any of their music.
Bush has never had the pleasure of my acquaintance, so if I let a total stranger be the source of all my problems.......I'd fit right in with everyone else.
In theory Communism is the ideal social system.....but as if humans can adhere to a theory. The positions of power are not given up easily, and the leaders soon become an upper class.
I say that you are wrong about the ten minutes, many of these kids could easily last half an hour.

 

Dr. Patrick Moore, the founder of greenpeace, also recognises this and joined more then 3,000 scientists supporting GM crops.

Lodui




Just a note that might interest some of you out there. Mr. Moore has for a number of years now been employed by the logging industry as a public representative combatting and debating the merits of old growth forests. The greenpeacers he once chummed around with, are now sitting across the table, trying to defend the position that we should save some wilderness for the critters. The hiring of Moore to defend the harvesting of the last bits of habitat to make newspapers is a major coup by the loggers. Imagine a founder of greenpeace debating the subject, he must know every red herring, rabbit trail, distraction, and equivocation.
Good to hear he supports GM crops. How Green.

 

How is that a good thing? Pesticides prevent crops from being devored by pests... without pesticides the worlds production of food would decrease by half... mostly in the third world where they need every ounce of food the most.

Would you like to post some scientific reference for that, or are you just making it up?

Again, please refernce to show you're not just making this up.

http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech_info/articles/myths.html

Then why are many strains of Hybrid crops being given away?

http://www.biotech-info.net/GR_tale.html

They're not being forced, they're being given away.

How does 41 more refrenced peer reviewed studies sound for testing.
http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech_info/articles/peer-reviewed-pubs.html

These crops are being sold commercially in the US... if I'll eat them, why not share them in the rest of the world.

Milions are starving. How much more testing do you need. How many lives is your caveman like objection to this technology worth?

Mad cow? Thats all you have? variant CJD has only a few hundred victims world wide... thats a statastical anomaly.

Theres not very much evidence that variant CJD even can be communicable from what you eat. It's possible, but its not proven.

CJD has affected a few hundred people and doesn't have anything to do with biotech.

http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/prusiner/245.shl

 

Logging is very nessecary.

Heres what Moore has to say on the subject.

http://www.greenspirit.com/trees_answer.cfm

And the timber industry is also very eco-friendly now adays, there are many times more trees in the US now then in 1900.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bot00/bot00090.htm

Moore ended up having differences of opinion with greenpeace, and then was slandered as a logging pupet for it. I guess If you have differences of opinion with greenpeace you hate the Earth.

The US only imports lumber from canada... and not because we need to either, we have plenty of trees, but canadian lumber is usually viewed as higher quality.

The reason rain forests in the amazon are being cut down is not because of corparations, but because of poor farmers trying to cut down land to feed their family on.

They use less effecient slash and burn cropping methods which are ecoligically devestating. Another good argument for biotechnology is that it will decrease new forests cut down for farmland, because Hybrid crops are more efficient.

 

Ok, one thing that should be pointed out: Lodui in the past 10 months, you have made 6,042 posts, averaging 19.60 post per day. Now I'm not one to judge, but I'd have to say that someone who spent that much time posting on an internet forum, doubtless does little else in their life. Additionally, you aren't even a minor, so the excuse that you sit at home and have nothing else to do is non-applicable in this case. You're 19, and still manage to post to this degree. Mother's basement perhaps?

In conclusion, I'd just like to call it like any level headed person can see it: Lodui, you are a loser. It's a hard fact to accept, but it's the truth. Additionally, while you enjoy stirring up trouble in internet forums for no clear reason than your perverse and pointless entertainment, I have little doubt in my mind that in real life that even the biggest hippie in this forum could kick your ass into next week.

By the way, Anarchy will never, ever happen. And, if by some odd chance it will, it will undoubdtedly happen long after we're dead. And in an anarchy, you would be raped in the a, then have your face pounded in with a set of brass knuckles by a biker gang. So stfu about the anarchy bullshit.

I'm sorry for my brutal honesty, but I like to call them as I see them. While doubtless, you will come up with a witty response to this post(and you are witty, I'll give you that much) there's just no explanation for the sheer amount of posts you have made in such a small period other than the obvious: you have nothing else to do.

Oh, and while I used to be a hippie, for a short spate of time, I realized that the hippies say alot of shit, but get very little done. I'm now a Democratic socialist.

 

Bring it on, asshole.

 

Hah, you just got here, and you're going after the big dog?

I moved out my 'rents when I was 17, I have an unsuccesful athletic career, an on again off again girlfriend, and several friends, I don't envy anybody.

You're not worth my time, Come back after you've gone through puberty.

 

this thread is still going?!

 

I'm just glad I'm still a controversial figure around here.