oh hell...this isnt dread related

Exactly Its horrible. But I think they have drugs to make them produce milk without being pregnant. But I don't know which one it worse really, killing calves or pumping these cows with drugs.

But I've been bought up on dairy, and soya makes me ill.. So I don't know really.. xD I can't give it up just like that, yesterday I sat here and nibbled half a mozzarella ball

Maybe I'll sorta do it slowly, cut it out slowly... Have vegan butter (brother says its pure sunflower oil, not soya, score.) on toast instead of milk and cereal... Hmm

 

my dad drinks soya milk, and one of my friends drinks goatsmilk. theres plenty of alternatives (to pretty much everything, not just milk) out there, people just gatta look for them

 

well yeah, i think they artificially inseminate them though. saw it on dirty jobs or something.

idk if its harsh how they milk them, im not a cow so idk how it feels. but wouldnt you rather do that then give each cow a hand job?

 

.... goats milk, as opposed to cows milk. i dont see how thats suposed to be any better?

 

Meh xD My Brother has this other argument that milk is damaging to adult health because its only for young for their development... So we don't technically need it as adults. not sure if its damaging, I'll have to do a little more research

 

id have to say killing a calf. its not like the drugs (if they even use drugs) make them all drugged up its probably just like a pill or what ever that doesnt really have any "drug like" effects. like the opposite of a birth controll! ????


hhahaha you reminded me of "kenny rodgers jackass" lmao. "I WAS RAISED ON THE DAIRY, BITCH!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV6In1K8zKk

it happens at 3:13

 

didnt say it was, i just mentioned it in passing

 

i doubt its damaging. just because in the wild you stop getting it once your older doesnt mean its bad. but you get big enough to get your own food. and its full of yummy nutrients!!! :cheers2:

 

Lol the birth control pill is the same, it raises hormone levels to the levels if you were pregnant, and tricks the body. This is taken from Yahoo Answers:

"Consuming the breast milk of another species is unnatural, unnecessary and repulsive. (Would you suck an udder?)

The U.S. has consumed more calcium in more forms in the last forty years than any other culture on earth, and yet it has the highest rate of osteoporosis. Why? Simple. Excess protein inhibits calcium absorption. This has been proven and published in medical journals time and time again. Eat less protein, and the calcium found in leafy greens, nuts and lentils is more than enough to satisfy dietary needs.

Dairy cows are injected with hormones and antibiotics, and their food is laced with pesticides. (This is to decrease the amount of insects attracted to their feces, a major problem in industrial dairies.) Residue from the hormones, antibiotics and pesticides are found in milk. These have been linked to cancer and compromised immune systems.

You say you're not talking about big dairy farms where cows are milked by machines. The obvious follow up question is: Where the heck do you get your milk? All milk from grocery stores is from corporate operations, and all of them, even Horizon Organic, milk by machine and take calves away at birth. (The boy cows, by the way, then have the genuine thrill of becoming VEAL! Yippee!)"

Its actually discusting

So yea... I think I'm becoming a vegan xD

 

i drink at least a pint of milk a day.. =D

 

Whoa. This thread has left me speechless, really speechless.

There is higher consciousness, and then there is just... this thread.

Though it started out well, I have to wonder where the consciouness and humanity went. Or maybe this is a wonderful indication of humanity, and why we as humans fail as a species.

Open your eyes; look around you. We are all one; feather and fowl, fish and fin, us and them.

It's not even about eating meat, or not eating meat, or about people starving, not about gluttony. It's about being able to see, with an open heart, and know the truth.

The truth will come to you easy, with no shields. It will lie at your feet, unprotesting. All which need excuses and justification is not the truth, but a self inflicted lie, harming everyone, and us as a whole.

 

Simply put, in less poetic terms, ask yourself how you really feel. Does your answer come to you silently? Do you feel like you would need to justify why you feel that way? If someone asks you to explain, are you explaining to justify it to yourself, or to them?

True peace and inner reflection are signs that you are doing right.

I guess I just can't understand how someone can muster the strength to go against what innerwardly they know must be the truth. That we are all one.

Even trying to imagine justifying these actions leaves me exhausted.

 

I don't get which bit of this thread you are talking about, the beginning? Or the end? xD

Sorry I'm a little clow today

 

Not totally true. I'm sure small family farms do it as there's not much profit. But larger farms take the calf away without killing it. They are artificially raised with other calves in barns and when they reach a certain age the females are used for milking and the males are usually shipped to countries who eat high proportions of veal.

 

Well still, the males are killed eventually

 

but you cant live your life feeling sorry for the cows, cause its nature, its life. i mean,, yes i get sad when an animal dies, but thats whats meant to happen. things are born, they live, they die. switching milk types wont save them =]

 

I don't feel sorry for the cows. It's the principle ^^ The fact that livestock are bred for industry and killed in industry: a man made thing. And as SoaringEagle said earlier, to keep these animals they grow fields and fields of food the the cows.. The space could be used for veg for the humans.

 

I am referring to the fact there are people who honestly believe animals are dispensible, soulless creatures here simply for our consumption with disregard to the fact they are domesticated by humans, but did not arrive here that way.

 

Ahh yea, agreed

 

how they milk the cows isnt so much the issue as how they are treatted
i lived and worked onj a dairy farm for 6 months many years ago..the farmers son was a professional boxer whod use the cows for punching bags
to contrioll the cows while milking them theyd twist the tails breaking them in multiplew places i can tell you from experience breaking vertabrae is 1 of the worse pains you can imagine
they also would smash them over the head with wooden canes and numbchucks. they went through a dozeen canes a day splintering them when they'd hit the cows
to get from the feild to the barn for milking they had to wade through an area of luiquid cow shit so deep theyre utters dragged through the shit
2 months after quitting that job is when i 1st went veggie