Official Bible Interpretation Thread

I'm asking why teach a biological lineage when Jesus said we ought not to identify ourselves that way. Biological lineages may be recorded in the bible but they have nothing to do with keeping the sayings of Christ.
The adam to christ lineage is a metaphor for the development of every man.

 

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Seems like crucial supportive evidence.

 

I agree, but there is a whole other current of exterior "signs of the end" and all that. The whole of debates of this nature are between those who clean the outside of the cup and those who clean the inside.
Jesus talks about his coming as being like lightening lighting up the whole sky. He is referring to the white light of a certain state of consciousness.

 

According to popular belief, I'm sure of any offshoot of christianity, most believe that after Jesus died he went to "heaven", that is, the kingdom of god. Which theoretically is where he resides. Perhaps in the form of love.

So, if he were to come in any form and any direction, considering, "the kingdom of god is within," it would be logical to say that he's coming from within (internally) and extending outwards, (externally).

Our own journey to find peace and to find god is a journey inwards. Jesus has already taken that journey, his is not the same as ours. Love comes from within and manifests itself outwards. Only if we allow it to make that transition/journey.

 

http://bible.cc/luke/17-21.htm

Not quite. It could mean that the Kingdom of God is not a real place, but surrounding us (rather than existing within us).

 

Whether at hand, among us, within us, or in the midst of us, it is accessible now.

 

Perhaps but if it was inspired of God then it would be in the Bible.

 

In is interesting that you do not consider Christian faith to be reality.

 

Perhaps God did not write it down but he is the author.

 

Okay, I accept that you meant nothing at all.

 

Yes it does that is why I tell the truth but that was not the point, by asking about others motivations rather than just assuming that you know, like you do, one is able to tailor one's answers so the truth is more easily understood. (Proverbs 18:13)

That does not always seem to be the case with you.

It seemed to me that it was you that took so long, how did you put it, "to get your rocks off" by dodging the question.

Did you not read;
“What do you think? A man had two children. Going up to the first, he said, ‘Child, go work today in the vineyard.’ In answer this one said, ‘I will, sir,’ but did not go out. Approaching the second, he said the same. In reply this one said, ‘I will not.’ Afterwards he felt regret and went out. Which of the two did the will of his father?”—Matthew 21:28-31.

That decision does not belong to me, go and ask those whose decision it is.

I do not tell you if you are good or bad, again not my job, I merely show you that your beliefs are not in harmony with the Bible.

 

Are you saying that Jesus taught us not to honor our parents?

 

In the first century, only the Christians that believed Jesus and fled to the mountains when they saw the disgusting thing standing in a holy place were saved from the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. Perhaps if you had been there you could have saved them the trouble of fleeing to the mountains and told them something like; Jesus is only "referring to the white light of a certain state of consciousness" and there is no need to flee to the mountains.

 

Or seeing that Jesus was standing among them at the time he said it and was to be the king of that Kingdom, perhaps Jesus was speaking of himself when he said the Kingdom is in your midst.

Also seeing as he was talking to the Pharisees, ones he said were like whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness, it would seem unlikely that was saying that the Kingdom of God was inside them.

 

Your quote says; If one gives answer before he hears, it is folly and shame.
Could you demonstrate your reasoning here because I interpret that sentence to mean if you give an answer before you hear the answer, it is to your folly and shame. In other words don't speak of things you don't know about.

Sometimes rhetorical questions are asked to make a point, other than that, I want to know the answer.

Well you are seeming all by yourself.

What is your point here waterbrother, my father did not ask me to go work in the vineyard today. I do what I am directed.

Really, bad answer you said. We speak out of the abundance of our heart. What is your "job" waterbrother?

 

You're speaking of two different things sweet pea. In the one instance Jesus is telling his disciples that there are days coming when they will desire to see one of the days of the son of man but they will not see it. The son of man does not return as he was before, he does not go here or there, for as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will be the son of man in his day. Was the son of man revealed at the destruction of Jerusalem? The roman destruction of the temple and Jerusalem is a different issue.

 

I agree with Ukr-Cdn and more so with OWB, this same verse can be rendered as "The kingdom of God is among you" So he was probably referring to himself, and there are many other verses where he calls himself the door and that no one gets to the father except through him.

He also referred to himself as the resurrection and the light of this world. I really recommend checking out the movie, "The King of Kings" by Cecil De Mille https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ty7ddv2AYU&feature=related"]

When the boy says that he see's the light, the first things that he see's is Jesus. When the boy says this, I don't believe he says this because he knows exactly who Jesus is, but that by him saying so directs Jesus as the light. For the boy, he was blind and wanted to know what it is to see light for the first time. So when he saw the light, he was excited and exclaims "I see the light!", but the light is Jesus. To me, this is to illustrate any person seeking Gods guidance and that God heals the blind so that they may see the light (God), but that it takes the individual to decide if they want it or not. Or he heals the lame, so that they may walk (The path of God). This imo is part of the miracle of Christian theology.

 

Actually it's saying get your facts straight before you answer.

That's nice to know, I'll see how that turnout in the future.

speaking for everyone now are you?

He didn't did he? Perhaps you should ask your spirit what the father is asking.

And this from the one who makes a big deal about the wording of things. I did not tell you whether you are good or bad, I mere said your answer was a bad one, two different things.

As for MY job, it is to do the will of the father.

 

Those other versions are new translated versions, taken from the older versions. I can see how they wouldn't want people to think the kingdom of god is within.

I didn't know it was alright to mince the words of those who wrote in the name of god. I guess only when it's largely accepted.

 

So then you have no qualms about your books being heavily edited, put together from numerous other sources, and a lots of other scripture being suppressed by other churches throughout history?