Official Bible Interpretation Thread

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Perhaps

    Luke 14:34-35 (New International Version)
    34"Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.

    "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

    Luke 14:34-35 (Amplified Bible)
    34Salt is good [an excellent thing], but if salt has lost its strength and has become saltless (insipid, flat), how shall its saltness be restored?

    35It is fit neither for the land nor for the manure heap; men throw it away. He who has ears to hear, let him listen and consider and comprehend by hearing!

    Luke 14:34-35 (Today's New International Version)
    34 "Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? 35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.

    "Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear."

    Luke 14:34-35 (New International Version - UK)
    34 Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?

    35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure heap; it is thrown out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

    Luke 14:34-35 (New International Reader's Version)
    34 "Salt is good. But suppose it loses its saltiness. How can it be made salty again? 35 It is not good for the soil. And it is not good for the trash pile. It will be thrown out.

    "Those who have ears should listen."
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    Or perhaps because it was mentioned only to show that God did not let Adam feel pain from this process and that the awaking up was understood because after the process Adam would have to have woken up to greet his wife and later eat of the tree.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

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    If no sign will be given, then why did Jesus give his disciples a sign when they asked for it?

    (Matthew 24:3-6) 3 While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” 4 And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

    And Jesus went on giving them signs for the next two chapters.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

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    Offensive, no. I just find it to be unscriptural.
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    Perhaps so, if your testimony is that the Bible is mostly man's word and not God's.
    Why do you bother, since as you believe, they may not be Jesus' words at all but merely, how did you put it, "man wrote the bible, inspired though he may be, that inspiration still carries a diverse individuality"?
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes, Jesus was saying that to all that believe that they are doing service to God. Jesus was, in a way, asking if your beliefs will allow you to kill someone thinking it was a service to God , if so then your beliefs are wrong and need to be changed.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    I've already pointed out several things but if you did not listen then, why would you listen now?
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    It doesn't because that is not what it was in answer to.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    So you keep saying but that does not change the fact that some feel like they are being judged, not because they have judged others but because they are actually being judged.
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    Mitigate? I can't believe you are judging me guilty for the use of emoticons. :rolleyes:
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Well you did say this of me first:
    So let me ask you, what unloving thing have I demonstrated? What lie have I honored?
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

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    Not all but yes most of them but then that thread is not comprehensive.
    Perhaps some but only the Bible fulfills all those reasons and more.
    If the Bible is the word of God then what other religion was I suppose to choose?
     
  13. lunarverse

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    Truth is a universal topic. It's everyone's.

    What's there to get in to. A deep sleep fell over Adam after which he and Eve left the garden of Eden. It never mentions him waking up. Believing that the bible is the literal word of god I would be interested to hear your interpretation of this, as I can't find anywhere in there where he woke up. I'm going to assume your answer isn't an assumption.
     
  14. thedope

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    So what are you saying? Why is the last line those who have ears should listen? That is not how it is written? Are you making an argument for your interpretation?
     
  15. thedope

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    Could have done all that in a dream. So why didn't it say he woke up? Made a point of saying a deep sleep fell over him. Isn't it amazing how we can look at a passage a thousand times and just totally miss something as significant as that. Perhaps it is the way you say for the reason you say, but I was shown this so that I would understand, because I asked to know by what route I had come to be in my current condition. Turns out I didn't know what my current condition was.
     
  16. thedope

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    Of those things Jesus says: Matt 24:34, truly I say to you this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
    So waterbrother, what is he talking about. We know that the hour is near, it is always near.
     
  17. thedope

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    Not you personally silly. I have already told you this. I said we master through love, mercy. Maybe I should write "YOUR" in capitals so that YOU can understand. But in general there is no "worry," fear, in love. As far as defenses, it is the truth that sets us free.

    So what unloving thing have I done?
     
  18. thedope

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    That's funny, I don't know that you are supposed to choose any. I just asked why you chose?
     
  19. thedope

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    What is unscriptural? No where in the scriptures does it say thedope or waterbrother are christians. From your reason, for either of us to claim we are followers of Christ is unscriptual.
     
  20. def zeppelin

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    It doesn't mention in the Bible that we are all inside a dream, but there are many other verses in the other books of the Bible that do go in further as to the meaning of Genesis.

    Jesus had many opportunities to mention that we all live in a dream, but he just continues to describe the literal history of Genesis.


    Not only is Jesus pointing out that it has been written and what we have to read is reliable and historically true, but what has been written was spoken to us by God and that the God that has spoken to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob is also the God that Jesus worships.

    He also mentions nothing about a dreamlike world, but he does mention the living and the dead. Sleeping people are not dead unless it is implied in some way. So when you say that we are literalists, we aren't literalists in the sense that we take word for word literally, like "It never mentions Adam ever waking up, so therefore this is a dreamworld", but we are literalists in a sense that if the rest of the Bible supports that intended meaning, then that is the intended meaning, and if it supports a literal Genesis then it supports a literal Genesis, but the way we view Genesis is reliant upon the rest of scripture.

    You're taking it that since genesis mentions Adam never waking up then this implies something, some sort of secret wisdom, if I am not mistaken. But this doesn't seem to follow the rest of Christian theology, the one Jesus authoritatively expresses.

    Also, unless it is implied or spoken of clearly, we can't believe that Adam was in a dreamworld because given the context of the text and the rest of the Bible. The rest of the text seems to imply that God put him into a deep sleep as to not allow Adam to suffer the process. IMO, this makes more sense, since God does not gain pleasure by harming others, and that God uses this moment to illustrate that point.

    Here is an interesting fact about ribs:

    "Ribs
    There have appeared claims that human ribs could regenerate if the periosteum, the membrane surrounding the rib, were left intact. In one study rib material was used for skull reconstruction and all 12 patients had complete regeneration of the resected rib.[10]" Link

    Here is a video that I found helpful, if for nothing else, then to look into why many Christians believe in the literal history of the Bible. He made a point that makes sense to me. "How can God inspire error?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4IZfFDW_R0"]YouTube- Why Christians believe in the LITERAL HISTORY of the Old Testament Scriptures
     

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