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Discussion in 'People' started by Sam101, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. BlackBillBlake

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    I'm not sure he was that great. He started the Vietnam war after all. Didn't do much for civil rights. Myself I think JFK was charismatic but that's about all.

    I think you have to go further back to FDR to find a great president.

    Who could the Democrats have put up if Obama had quit after one term?
    Maybe the job has become too big for anybody.
     
  2. Karen_J

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    Hillary. I voted for her in the primary, in 2008. I think she is less idealistic and more pragmatic, which means less exciting speeches and more accomplishments.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

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    I think Hillary would have made a good president. She is that rare thing, a politician for whom I actually feel some respect.

    But I do feel a bit sorry for Obama - He's subject to a nasty underlying racism.
     
  4. EL Tuna

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    A dumb **** that wore a retard helmet to LIE about dead Americans, Well to get out of many lies. Yeah, She'd be a great one. Just like the piece of shit we have now with no brain, No balls, A pure fucking failure.
    Then you think dumb bitch would be better? LMFAO

    We should just start shooting our own people know, Buy a million helmets and claim 'I don't know/remember'. Most likely because she was face deep is her lesbo lovers nappy dugout.

    At least bill will get some fresh muff from white house staff.
     
  5. EL Tuna

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    A rare piece of shit. How can you respect a person who turns their back and lets four Americans die? Must have low standards and a communist.
    The dumb **** needs to be kicked down the road with Osama blu gums.
     
  6. scratcho

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    A very nice, well thought out post there, tuna-man.
     
  7. BlackBillBlake

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    Don't gratify the trolls even by acknowledging them.
     
  8. LornaDoom

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    all politicians are from the same cut..dont matter who is in there, it is all going down the same way
     
  9. Karen_J

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    She's getting older, but I'm not counting her out for 2016 yet.

    All through the primaries, she warned us that Obama had no lifetime accomplishments or qualifications except the ability to make a great speech now and then. And she was (and is) a true liberal. I think he's just whatever he thinks he needs to be, at the moment. Many of his governing policies have been conservative.

    It appears at times that Michelle honestly doesn't like him, which is scary, because she knows him better than anybody else. It's nothing obvious, just a cutting comment now and then that shows frustration with his huge ego. That worries me. I haven't seen that from other First Ladies.

    Once Obama defeated Hillary for the Democratic nomination, I wanted him to succeed because I support the party platform and the party's values. Nothing he has done so far has made McCain or Romney look like a better option to me.

    For sure, but Hillary would (will) face a similar degree of sexism.

    Even though Obama is openly disrespected by racists, he can't blame all his problems and failures on them. For example, he got outplayed by the GOP on healthcare. Some of them convinced him that he would get their votes in Congress if he put specific things into the ObamaCare plan at their request, but they did that only to weaken the bill and make it more likely to fail later. They never had any intention of voting for it. They played him for a fool.

    I don't think that Hillary would have fallen for that scam. And if she had somehow failed to see through it at first, Bill would have told her. He's a true political genius and a Rhodes Scholar, one of the brightest minds to ever occupy the Oval Office. Some are fooled by his down to earth choice of words, but that is a calculated strategy for dealing with the public in an effective way. He knows what works, in political leadership. (Going back to a previous conversation, does that remind you at all of Robert E. Lee?)

    I would love to see him back in the White House for another eight years, in any capacity. Regardless of any romantic and emotional issues within their marriage, Bill and Hillary make a legendary political duo.

    I can't see it. I love my ignore list!
     
  10. BlackBillBlake

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    I think a lot of the intricacies of US politics, such as the GOP business, are a bit obscure to we Brits, but my attitude toward Milliband as leader of the Labour Party here is like you with Obama. I don't really think he was the best choice, but I'll support him because I have always preferred Labour's agenda to that of the Tories.

    I think if I met the Obamas, I'd probably like Michelle more than Barrack, who as you say does seem to have a king size ego.


    I agree about the Clintons. I always liked Bill, and no doubt you're right that he has the right populist touch. Like Lee? Maybe there is a comparison. But I also think Hillary was/is a great asset to him. I say again that she is a woman whom I admire a lot. In contrast to Obama, I'm sure meeting Bill and Hillary would be a real treat. He's among the very few modern politicians I like as a man.
    And it strikes me that Hillary would make an excellent first woman president. And if I read you correctly, to get one is to get both.

    Both Romney and McCain give me the creeps. I'm sure things might now be a lot worse if either of them had succeeded.
     
  11. Karen_J

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    I suppose anyone who dares to run for President has to have a very high opinion of themselves. Some keep it hidden better than others, realizing that excessive ego can be quite irritating to see on display.

    Michelle is quite unique. She would have to be, being the first black First Lady of the US. I can't judge her, having no personal idea what it's like to be a black American, but there are things about her that surprise me. First, she is bigger than she looks on TV. I've seen her first inaugeration ball gown in the Smithsonian Museum, hanging on a life-sized manequin. She's a very big, tall woman. Second, she sometimes seems angrier than I would expect her to be, having been so successful on her own as a lawyer. But...I will never be able to fully understand her perspective on racial and ethnic issues.

    While it would be nice for Barrack to come across as more friendly, there are more important qualifications. The world is a very complicated place, so I want our President to be as intelligent as possible, even if that means I could never have a good conversation with him. So, I see both sides of this issue.

    There is a gap of 150 years, but they both figured out that (especially in the South) you don't win over ordinary people by pouring out all your academic theories and terminology on them. You save that for closed-door (closed-tent?) discussions with your peers.

    I'm sure the two of them talk about politics and world affairs every day, probably multiple times. That isn't likely to change until one of them is dead.

    I can hardly imagine a modern couple where both individuals are or have been world leaders. How many times has that happened, since Mark Anthony and Cleopatra?

    For sure! As Jon Stewart recently put it, it was McCain who opened Pandora's Box and gave us the Tea Party. As Shakespeare would say, "He knoweth not what he hath done!"
     
  12. BlackBillBlake

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    Maybe one of the marks of a great politician is the ability to keep it hidden. To appear modest and one of the people. At least to make people believe he/she is on their side. FDR occurs to me again. A patrician, but he managed to have a wide appeal.


    That is probably because women were largely excluded from power in past times, and those that were not, like Elizabeth I of England, shunned close, or openly close relations with men because they wanted to hold onto power.



    Maybe the Bard was paraphrasing JC there. 'They know not what they do'.
     
  13. EL Tuna

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    LOL Got me there. Cant say i posted lie's though, That's the key with me, Truth.

    Not trolling, Just not a fan of socialists/Commienomic's.

    Ignore list's are for one sided only people who cant think for themselves. There are a lot of post's i don't like, But still respect the opinion of the person right or wrong. But if you pay no mind to other opinion's, You pay no mind to the world around you either, Which is obvious.

    The 'Clintons' are the reason WHY we are in half the mess we are in. Good ol' slick willy signed NAFTA and sold us out to china. We sell good steel to them, They sell us their inferior shit that is junk.
     
  14. Karen_J

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    Thinking about some smaller countries in the last century, female heads of state mostly followed their popular husbands who died in office. If we didn't have presidential term limits, Bill would be the front runner for 2016, not Hillary.
     
  15. sunfighter

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    My opinion of Obama has been going downhill lately the more I learn about what's in the Trans-pacific Partnership (TPP) secret negotiations, which were leaked by WikiLeaks the other day, but still hardly anybody is aware. I am very distressed that Obama is pushing this. Essentially, it turns over important aspects of our national sovereignty to multinational corporations, allowing them to, for instance, sue the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if the legislature requires GM food labeling.
     
  16. farmout

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    I too am disappointed but romneybot would have been far worse. It is a shame we have to choose betwixt the better of two evils. We could surely use a third party...
     
  17. Karen_J

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    This is horrible! I hope the Supreme Court gets to rule on it quickly.

    Also, the mainstream media is beginning to find more and more legitimate evidence that "collateral damage" from drone attacks in Pakistan has been much worse than we were led to believe. :mad: It's no longer just the extremist conspiracy web sites that are saying this.

    ...if there was a legitimate chance that the third candidate would be better than the other two. Unfortunately, it's more likely to produce more of the same shit, as long as campaign contributions continue to be essentially unlimited.
     

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