Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pressed_Rat, Jul 17, 2008.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Where exactly in that speech does he call for a "national security force", I have trouble finding that quote? Can you show it to me within the speech?

    I want to see an actual transcript of the speech from which these quotes are being taken. I'm having trouble finding them.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Can you prove it was ever there, I can't find any reliable resource to support it? I find lot's of blogs that mention it, no one seems to have a screen capture of the original speech if it was included. I find that strange.
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    That's because IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT, as I have been trying to tell you but you conveniently ignore.

    You need to watch the actual video. Fast forward to around 16 minutes in, then ask yourself why the remark about a national security force was removed from the official transcript.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw

    Stop relying on the complicit media to deliver you the truth and do your own research.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I am not on broadband I can't just download videos at will. It would seem if so many are reporting it they could verify it's inclusion. Haven't seen it reported on the network news and it's been a while since the 4th there should be transcripts. I would think McCain would be having a field day with this.

    I do computer graphics and flash work I know how easy it is to phony a film.
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Yeah it is.
     
  6. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Been there done that got the T-shirt.
    I was speaking to a nice guy about energy saving light bulbs, boy that was hard work -;)
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Why? McCain probably supports the exact same thing as he answers to the same people.

    No, you haven't seen it on network news, and since when does the network news cover things that are important? They're too busy talking about Paris Hilton.

    Here is the quote that is conveniently left out from the official transcripts and can be heard in the video:

     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Hey was it just me or when Gore gave his ten year deadline spiel, was there a new bulb up on the left hand side like a logo? Didn't win my support...

    Is he sponsored by them, the company that is now selling all those new bulbs?
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Where exactly did you hear or read that . You Tube? Is that the only place or source?
     
  10. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Not sure, maybe you could find a picture.
    I do know one is on the right hand corner of the 10 dollar bill.
    You have to look real hard mind you.
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    It's the friggin' full-length video of the speech he gave!!
     
  12. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Who recorded the speech, and holds copyright on it? It wasn't broadcast or transcriped by major media. That's like hiding the fact that FDR used a wheelchair or Reagan had Alzheimers, is that still possible in this day and age?
     
  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Huffington and Drudge don't have the transcript including it...someone must... all of you exaggeratists seem to have it in your radar, why not a viable source. ConTrails maybe?

    What about Rush why no verfication there you'd think it would be to his benefit.
     
  14. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    How much taxpayer money was spent recording this?

    I demand accountability!!

    Why wasn't it broadcast en espanol ?
     
  15. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    TRy googling Full Transcript Call To Service.

    Or would you like a cut & paste of the text here?
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    as evil maniacal as hitler was his brilliance and organizational skills cant be denied..

    IMO, i see nothing wrong with making the comparison.
    the boy scouts ,nor the army cadets have ever been used nor were ever turned into a "national civillian security force",,the hitler youth were..
    that is fact,and that is what i base my statements and comparisons on..

    sometimes the facts offend,,oh fucking well...
     
  17. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    If a "national civillian security force" ever rears its head; if it does not include children aged 10-18, your argument is immediately invalidated.
    If it does happen to include only children aged 10-18, then this "national civillian security force" will also have to include:

    Mandatory presence.
    Racial profiling of children aged 10-18.
    The indoctrination of anti-semitic ideology.

    As it will already be a “security force”, these 10-18 year olds will also be taking part in paramilitary activity.

    Is this still a fair comparison?
     
  18. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    sounds to me as his call for "civil service" for highschool kids is the indoctrination just as with the hitler youth,,then when you come of age you can join the "national civilian security force",just as the hitler youth joined the storm troopers upon coming of age..
    once again,,i do see a comparison in what he is proposing..
    the only difference as i stated before is that you take out the word jew and insert the word terrorist...

    once again you are not taking the organization as a comparison you are only using the anti semitic aspect of it and using that as a base for your argument against what ive stated..
    i once again say..replace the word jew with the word terrorist and you can make a valid comparison to this proposed program and the hitler youth and the storm troopers.. IMO...

    it is not the ideology i am comparing,its the outline of the organization itself..
     
  19. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Now you're stretching your metaphor to its limit.

    If that is the indoctrination, as tenuous as that is, it would have to be nationalistic and racist in tone. It would still have to weed out the "racially impure". It would also have to be mandatory.You would have to be saying the "civil service" will be mandatory and be militaristic (such as the army/navy cadets). Then once these children reach a certain age they will then have to go on to this "national civilian security force".

    The anti-semitic part is one aspect, you can ignore that part if you like.
    I'm not basing my argument on that.
    Just include "indoctrination of Nazi ideals", if you like.

    As neither of us actually know what this "national civilian security force" would actually entail. We (You and I) are left to take your analogy as a basis for this, and this is what I am refuting. You can't just replace "Jew" with "terrorist" as the Hitler Youth encompassed many other things than Jew hating. It was also organised in a very specific way.

    So, maybe you could say there might be a transitional group from one to another, but this would have to have the hallmarks of the "Hitler Youth", such as the e.gs I pointed out.

    Well your starting to stray wildly from it.

    I'm sure with such an imaginative mind such as you have, another more up to date analogy could be made. Say, like the "civil service" could be the Cub scouts/Girl guides - then the children move on to the Air/Navy Cadets or some such scheme as "national service". This then prepares the young adults for the "national civilian security force".
    I guess this does not have the same appeal to you, right?
     
  20. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Mmmm. Tired.
     
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