Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi

I don't get yours either.

You discount the content of a half hour speech about increasing the scope of americorps untill the word Security appears and then you find something malevolent?

Perhaps he misspoke. Or perhaps it was an allegory. Like Salvation Army.

 

well i always have my suspicions about a statement when it clearly says,

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

i can not grasp how that correlates to ameri corp and there mission statement..

dont get me wrong,i think its great he wants to expand ameri corp and the peace corp,,once again,i just dont see how those two proposals correlate to this statement..

 

"We should have a civilian corps that is as effective in what they do as our military is in what it does, and we don't have that right now,"

Context of the speech. Makes sense.

I'm not going to convince you or Rat obviously. You yourself think the end of the world will happen by the end of the next presidents term. Correct?

 

if that is what he meant to say,
how do you misspeak that badly with such implications and not correct yourself?

lemme guess you learn in debate school to just keep on with your speech like nothing happened??
kinda like everyones excuse for him when he said there was 57 states and didnt miss a beat?

im not buyin that as a excuse.. i cant see how someone meant to say
""We should have a civilian corps that is as effective in what they do as our military is in what it does, and we don't have that right now,"

and have it come out of there mouth as,

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

i mean theres misspeaking and theres saying something completely different..

 

no that is not correct..

i do however believe that in the next presidents term there will be a complete collapse of our economy resulting in chaos in many different forms..

 

Ahhhh, what happened to your Nov. Dec. prediction.

 

oh i said september we will see how bad it really is, and by spring all hell will be falling upon us..
yes that is my prediction..

the next president takes office in 6 months,
just wait till this winter when folks are having to choose between heat and food,.. thats when things will begin to get ugly..
its all being spelled out for us in the media..
here is a wealth of legitimate sources for you all in one easy to browse web site..

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/main.html

its coming quick.. yes those are my predictions.. im not backing off of them..

 

I'm siding with lode on this one.

But I've got my eye on you, Obama.

 

Why is it that so many people cry holocaust and Hitler when it comes to war or all that implies... I don't see anything wrong with strengthening our home forces to make sure we're well protected. The military should be for war and peace keeping, and not for handling every single security issue this country has. I think it's good that Obama is actually thinking outside of the box, and relieving our armed forces from Iraq duty.

I swear... It's just fucked up how people are so quick to condemn him for actions like this, but yet these same people believe that Old Texan man that went outside the safety of his home and shot those two burglars from robbing his neighbors home are fine with that? Talk about vigilante justice. It's a shame that horrible bastard got off the hook, but it just goes to show that stupid people can support a dumbass gun toting idiot with no regard for life, but don't want to support a measure that would give certain civilians power to protect our own country from far worse enemies.

 

talk about jumping to conclusions and making assumptions while stereotyping someone you disagree with..

um ,,im not even going to rebuttal any farther,,theres no need...

 

This speech was not about the military. It was about civil service. Suggesting otherwise would give credence to Pressed Rats argument.

 

I completely understand that this is not a military issue, and that he wants to convert civillians and/or law enforcement into super cops or whatever you want to call them. But to compare Obama to a young Hitler is taking it a bit too far.

 

That's why I gave up on it before it even started.

 

ummm,, no one compared obama to a young hitler..
what was said was,that by his statement and the context it was taken from it implies he is proposing forming a organization much like hitler did when he formed the hitler youth..

from what ive gathered,id say that isnt a stretch at all..

 

Terrorists Could Nuke Our Fucking Country And It Wouldnt Be Worse Than This Bullshit We Put Ourselves Through To Prevent It.

(was all caps, but I guess I can't yell)

post above mine

 

That's how I interpreted it too.
Hitler Youth was mentioned, so I naturally took this to mean that there was a comparison to Hitler. You know because this is like the Hitler Youth, right.
So it must mean there was a comparison being made.

 

The transcripts posted on the Wall Street Journal and Denver Post websites. They conveniently removed the remark Obama made about a "national security force," and myself and others would like to know why.

The posted transcripts read:

"We'll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We'll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. "
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"And we'll use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities. This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda, and make their own change from the bottom up."

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The transcript without the omitted words (in bold-face) should read:

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"We'll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We'll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we'll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

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The entire unedited speech can be viewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw&eurl=http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007818.html​

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Do you have a link for the transcript at WSJ or Denver Post of the speech as it was verbally delivered but with that sentence not in the transcript? Or are you referring to the transcript of the prepared speech before verbal delivery?

WSJ posted a transcript of prepared speech on July 2 before it was delivered verbally by Obama. That transcript is missing the sentence. It's possible that Obama went ahead and included that sentence which was edited out of the prepared speech by his advisors. Often times political speeches as-delivered are not quite the same as the pre-speech press release transcript.

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you do know that from the formation of the wandervogel(a early german youth group)The Catholic Youth Organization, the Boy Scouts, along with a variety of political, religious, para-military, and sports groups sprang up, organized so that youth was indeed led by youth, with the leader being just a few years older than the boys he led.

IMO,there can indeed be a comparison made of his proposal to transition the americorps into a security force much the same as hitler transformed the youth league of the german workers party into one,thus becoming what is known today as the hitler youth..

am i implying that obama intends to commit genocide?? no not at all.
however one can not deny the similarities of his proposal when compared with what hitler did with the nazi youth..

in 1922,hitlers announcement in the official nazi newspaper read,

"We demand that the National Socialist Youth, and all other young Germans, irrespective of class or occupation, between fourteen and eighteen years of age, whose hearts are affected by the suffering and hardships afflicting the Fatherland, and who later desire to join the ranks of the fighters against the Jewish enemy, the sole originator of our present shame and suffering, enter the Youth League of the NSDAP..."

i submit that if you replaced the word "jewish" with the word "terrorist" it can be compared to obamas call to the youth of america.

 

I think it was intentionally omitted because of the susceptibility of being misquoted out of context given what he said. I mean, nobody jumped and flipped out when he said it.

I would like him to clarify what he meant - but it's pretty fair to assume that he meant an alternative to military service.

And it wasn't a speech that he wrote beforehand. He's a very good orator, and by looking at the footage, he was speaking off-the-cuff like he would have done giving a post-secondary lecture. It's probable that he was misquoted out of context.