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I dont think its complicated or even a 'Problem' here.
There is only one 'Middle Man' and He reveals Himself as the Holy Spirit to Christians who will listen to him.
Assuming someone is a normal grown-up with a somewhere near average intelligence then you can pretty much know that a nude statue of David is something your teenage daughter actually should see and appreciate.
Then
A grown man exposing himself to your teenage daughter on the bus is NOT appropriate nudity.
Honestly, its not some big confusing 'grey area' where you need some Minister to 'tell you what to do' or Christians are running around asking 'the Church' to help them.

 

If you ask everyone you see what they thought of public nudity, it's likely that more than half will say that they find it to be obscene. Ask people who profess to be Christians and the overwhelming response will be that a nude person is obscene.
Ask why and you will likely get a puzzled look. Nude equals lewd is traditionally accepted without question-- but how could the average Christian defend that position? If asked why Jesus is divine, most Christians would have some explanation because they have been taught the reasons why. But nudity falls under the same umbrella as sex. The reasons behind the rules are seldom taught.
As a Christian, I believe that public nudity is wrong because we are told in the Scriptures to be modestly attired and not to do things which might cause anyone else to stumble. That seems to me to be reason enough.
We also, I think, need to realize that it is not up to us to decide who is going to hell or for what reason.
I saw the nudist banner, but I can't say I was really offended by it. I didn't click on it, because it's not anything I am interested in finding out more about, but God created all people with free will, so it is up to each individual to make up his or her own mind--and remember, not everyone is at the same place in their spiritual development. There are probably some things that I do or believe that would shock or dismay someone who is further along than I might be, and I have to keep that in mind before I think about criticizing anyone else.
God created the human body, and it is not obscene. It is due to man's sin that humans were originally clothed, and since God was the One who covered the first humans, it seems pretty clear to me that He wants us to wear something. Human sin and imperfection was responsible for our loss of innocence, and that's how it is right now, but maybe someday that will change. Only God knows that.
The most important thing as I understand it is to do what you feel in your heart is right and not to judge anyone else for their beliefs. If you think someone else is wrong, keep the person in your prayers. Either God will eventually cause them to realize their error or He might caused you to realize YOURS. This is something that has happened to me in my walk with the Lord, so I know it can happen. There have been things that I was SO SURE I was right about, yet eventually I was helped to see my error. In any case, we have no right to judge anyone. That's God's job.
My advice to anyone offended by the nudist banner is that you simply ignore it. How important is it, after all, in the grand scheme of things?

 

That is 'more true' in the USA, but sorry.. I simply do not buy that.

 

I think the important thing for us Christians to remember is to cling to that which is edifying to the body of Christ--those things which better the Church, and bring glory to our Lord. As someone, who has myself struggled with pornography, it saddens me to see the nonchalant attitude taken toward the subject matter. True a mere nudist banner may not be the same “hardcore,” sadistic, or down right illegal, material found in videos and magazines, but is something that can have a negative effect on the Christian brother (or sister) who may be struggling, just as immodest dress can. Of course, the obvious answer to all this is, “If it’s causing you struggle, either ignore it or leave!” To which I wholeheartedly agree, as Christ said, “If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away”! (Matthew 5:30) But there is one thing to consider in the whole politics of the matter. What of the site supporter who has their own Christian forum? A place where Christians go to fellowship?

Also, in regard to what is sinful, I think Erasmus was headed in the right direction when he distinguished between what is appropriate, and what is not. The trend in this thread seems to be toward over generalizing. For example, drawing upon the very broad category of nudity one may ask, in a derisive manner, how a mere nude body can be sinful. Of course this is a very broad generalization and context is important. There is a difference between John showering in the nude, and John watching the little league baseball game in the nude. There is a difference between Jane exposing herself to her husband, and Jane exposing herself to her fellow colleagues at the Christmas party. I think that one of the deciding factors in the above cases in is who has the right to see, that is, who has the privilege. But of course the answers will differ depending on one's beliefs. But of course as a Christian, one needs to look to the Bible (as I think angelgodiva rightfully pointed out).

 

So your distaste for the banner comes not from a christian viewpoint, but a personal one?

 

Can we offer to buy out the Nudist Banner and replace it with a paid banner Campus Crusade for Christ?

That way Jatom is not bothered and everyone is happy.

Seriously?

 

Do you really mean that? Because I have some ideas for a banner in the Pagan forum.

 

That sounds more disturbing than the nudists.

Aww, dip!

 

Genesis 3:9-11 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, "Where are you?" So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself." And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?"

The body is truly a beautiful thing. It is just perverted minds telling us otherwise.

 

It comes from my Christian viewpoint.

 

Now there's a thought. But I could just imagine my antithesis. All the contraJatoms out there who would start threads that said "Is it just me or are all the Christians trying to shove Jesus down my throat with their stupid banner?!"

 

Consider that people will 'call out' CCfC for spending less than five minutes asking for donations as if they have exposed it as a 'money making scheme' but will happily sit through four hours of Sitcoms, 2hours of which are Pepsi and Car commercials and never actually realise that Sitcoms ARE a money making scheme lol.

Alls fair until its Christians and then the double-standard alarm bells start blaring like made everywhere.


Skip, I would say you can take it where you can get it and its not like people have to visit hipforums either - if they dont like what they see.
Heck, alot of posters have been censored for posting unpopular opinions in these forums.
Why not 'Ban a Banner' if its getting complained about too?

 

Thanks for the reply Skip! At least we know you don't turn a deaf ear. And sorry to hear about your somewhat negative impression of Christians. Maybe some day, by God's grace, that'll change.

Later

 

Erasmus, good points! Even more to think about. ...funny post too, had me laughing.

 

this thread seriously makes me want to cry
oh my god people....

 

Is the banner gone? I don't remember seeing it the past few days.

 

i really hope not, God is going to be pissed, how can we all be his chosen people, if some can get offended at what He wanted us to be like. we are his creation, admire it. you are judging others--sin
peacex