Nothing has ever travelled at the speed of light especially light

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  1. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    Have you experience with this ? Have you not been touched the by Great Woo ? Or
    please relate the mythology that informs you . Science needs to be provided a
    beginning . It can explore gravity waves now that these have been experienced .
     
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  2. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    No. You can even search YouTube for the evidence.
     
  3. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    I cannot search videos .(slow internet)
    Please use words .
     
  4. Irminsul

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    One is a vibration in a substance, the other is a vibration in the electric and magnetic fields. One of the ways that sound can produce lightis by SONOLUMINESCENCE - a phenomenon by which the energy of a sound wave in a fluid is concentrated to create flashes of lightthat last for a very brief period.
     
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    from an article in the NY Times :

    In the ''single bubble'' version of sonoluminescence, one small bubble is boiled into existence by a hot wire immersed in water, and the bubble is then acoustically moored (or ''levitated'') at the center of the chamber, where sound waves immobilize it and force it to pulsate rhythmically. As long as the sound continues to excite it, the rapidly expanding and collapsing bubble emits pulses of light in time with the frequency of the sound, up to 100,000 times a second. (Sound of such high frequency is far above the human hearing limit of about 15,000 cycles per second.)

    Most physicists, including Dr. Putterman, believe that sonoluminescent flashes occur when a microscopic bubble suddenly collapses and its spherical wall implodes on itself at several times the speed of sound. This is believed to cause the shock compression of any gas within the bubble, very briefly heating it to a temperature higher than that of the Sun's surface. At this temperature, the compressed gas radiates both visible light and high-energy ultraviolet radiation.
     
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    Scientists update four key fundamental constants
    by National Institute of Standards and Technology
    October 23, 2017

    https://phys.org/news/2017-10-scientists-key-fundamental-constants.html

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    ""People doing such high-precision measurements will notice the shift," Mohr said.

    That's why the official rollout of the revised SI is slated for May 20, 2019, on World Metrology Day, to give high-end metrologists time to adjust to the new values.

    "It's a broader philosophical paradigm shift," Mohr said.

    "When the speed of light became a fixed number, researchers stopped measuring the speed of light. They focused on realizing the meter. It's the same with the Planck constant. You're not going to be measuring the Planck constant anymore. You're going to be realizing mass and electrical standards more precisely.""


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  8. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Ugh, like a religion now, so dumb
     
  9. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    I've been saying science is a religion for years. Followers of science believe in way more whacky shit than the invisible bearded man lol and the best part is for the most part they've only got theoretical knowledge to believe in, without the technology to even test it.

    If you ask me, that's blind faith.

    Religion is simple. God created the heavens, earth, man and animal..

    Science.... Dimensions and holographic universes. :p fantastical fantasy cosmological stories of creation that are for more reaching than the invisible bearded man, cause ya know, there's gonna be a planet out there with a bearded something or rather.

    So I never really got the ardent hatred between religion and science cause to me they're like, very similar... For much, they're both theory and at the moment, both unable to be proven.

    Not all science, I just mean some science. Like string theory or something. I just don't get how people can be like, oh I believe in this THEORY and your God doesn't exist, when the theory they preach only makes sense, in theory. Which I find pretty hypocritical hehe.

    But I'll be wrong.
     
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  10. tikoo

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    God said let there be light . First God , then resonance , then light . The resonance , reasoned the mystic
    teleporter , travels without regard to time .
     
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    And
     
  12. egger

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    Historic Vote Ties Kilogram and Other Units to Natural Constants
    Jennifer Huergo
    November 16, 2018

    Historic Vote Ties Kilogram and Other Units to Natural Constants

    excerpt:

    "Over the last 40 years, with the advancement of quantum science, scientists have now measured natural constants such as the speed of light and the Planck constant with exceptional accuracy. Using combinations of these constants and the equations of quantum mechanics, scientists created revised SI units for measuring mass, electric current, temperature and the mole that are at least one million times more stable than artifacts like Le Grand K.

    Quantum Advantages

    Scientists have dreamed of having an accurate and precise measurement system that could be realized anytime, anywhere, since the 1700s. Scientific advances in quantum science, many of which have occurred at NIST and other NMIs around the world, have finally made this possible.

    Quantum phenomena that are identical everywhere are already used to define the second, which is the SI unit for time, and the meter, the SI unit for distance. The second is defined as 9,192,631,770 natural oscillations of microwave radiation released by the element cesium and the meter is defined as the distance traveled by light in vacuum in 1/299,792,458th of a second. These revised definitions, implemented in 1967 and 1983, respectively, were necessary for the invention of GPS and many other modern technologies."
     
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    What is the history of measurements of the speed of light?

    What is the history of measurements of the speed of light? - The Handy Physics Answer Book

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    "Research on microwaves used in radar during World War II led to a new method of measuring the speed of light. By 1950 Louis Essen reported a result of 299,792 kilometers per second, slightly more precise than Michelson’s result. In the 1970s scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder Colorado succeeded in directly measuring simultaneously the wavelength and the frequency of an infrared laser. From these two measurements they could calculate the speed of light: 299,792.4562 kilometers per second with an uncertainty of only 1.1 meters per second!

    This new technique prompted an investigation of the length standard, the wavelength of light from the gas krypton. The new techniques discovered that the standard was “fuzzy” and had to be replaced. In 1983 the Conférence Générale des Poids et Mesures decided to fix the speed of light in a vacuum at 299,792.458 kilometers per second and define the meter as the distance light travels in 1/299792458 of a second."


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    Direct frequency and wavelength measurements of visible light produced by stabilized lasers in the 1970's led to speed of light experiments that yielded a unit of length with an uncertainty orders of magnitude less than those obtained using a krypton discharge source or a manmade, non-reproducible artefact such as the length of an international prototype metal bar whose length is subject to change over time. It was the impetus for assigning an exact value to the speed of light and using it with the cesium clock standard to establish a standard unit of length.

    Time to Remeasure the Metre
    New Scientist
    October 27, 1983

    New Scientist

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    Table 6.1 and Figure 6.5 summarize measurements of the speed of light from 1958 to 1973. Work on stabilized laser technology in the 1970's.and is discussed in chapter 6 of the following book:.

    Evenson K.M., Petersen F.R. (1976) Laser frequency measurements, the speed of light, and the meter. In: Walther H. (eds) Laser Spectroscopy of Atoms and Molecules. Topics in Applied Physics, vol 2. Springer, Berlin, Heidelberg

    free pdf of chapter 6:

    https://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/307.pdf


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  16. wooleeheron

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    All the evidence indicates that faster than light travel is syntropic and reflects the collective behavior of mass and energy, and not their individual behavior. You might as well debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, because what you require is fuzzy logic that doesn't even exist yet. Both Quantum Chaos Theory and Quantum Darwinism have received their first two experimental confirmations along with Roger Penrose's theory of quantum vibrations in the brain. Without a contextual approach, you are throwing darts in the dark and living in the last century.
     
  17. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Syntropic means cross feeding by the way, just so you know

    When one species eats the product of another, like when dung beetles eat cow poo
     
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    The publication by Evenson summarizes metrology improvements and choices available to redefine the meter as a result of metrology work in the 1970's. The approach of using the speed of light and the second to define the length of the meter was formally accepted in 1983. It led to commonality in the terrestrial and astronomical disciplines which had been using different standards of length..



    Frequency Measurements in the Optical Region and the Speed of Light
    K. M. EVENSON

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    "As a result of the recommendations made by CCDM, two different definitions of a new length standard must be considered. First, we can continue as before with separate standards for the second and meter, but with the meter defined as the length equal to 1//lambda wavelengths in vacuum of the radiation from a stabilized laser instead of from a 86Kr lamp.

    Alternately, one can consider defining the meter as a specified fraction of the distance light travels in one second in vacuum (that is, one can fix the value of the speed of light). The meter would thus be defined in terms
    of the second and, hence, a single unified standard would be used for frequency, time, and length. What at first sounds like a rather radical and new approach to defining the meter is actually nearly one hundred years
    old. It was first proposed by Lord Kelvin in 1879. With this definition, the wavelength of all stabilized lasers would be known to the same accuracy with which their frequencies can be measured. Stabilized lasers would thus provide secondary standards of both frequency and length for laboratory measurements, with the accuracy being limited only by the reproducibility, measurability, and long term stability."

    It should be noted that an adopted nominal value for the speed of light is already in use for high-accuracy astronomical measurements, thus, there are currently two different standards of length in existence :
    one for terrestrial measurement and one for astronomical measurements. A definition which fixes c and unites these two values of c would certainly be desirable from a philosophical point of view."
     
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    The International Astronomical Union in 2012 accepted the definition of the astronomical unit to be an assigned exact number of meters. Due to stabilized laser technology reducing the uncertainty of the measurement of the speed of light by orders of magnitude, the meter has been defined in terms of the speed of light which has an assigned exact value that was accepted in 1983 (followed by four more SI base units being defined by assigning exact values in 2019).. Such changes imparted consistency and accuracy to the astronomical and terrestrial disciplines.



    Astronomical unit (AU)

    Astronomical unit (AU) — Astronoo

    excerpt:

    "Among the units of measure astronomical distances, the astronomical unit (UA symbol) is the smallest units, it corresponds approximately to the length of the semi-major axis of Earth's orbit (the mean distance of the Earth Sun).

    On 21 September 2012, the Paris Observatory issued a press release on the new definition of the astronomical unit is now fixed. At its General Assembly held in Beijing from 20 to 31 August 2012, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) adopted a new definition of the astronomical unit, unit of length used by astronomers to express the dimensions of the solar system. The unit of length is exactly 149 597 870 700 meters, conventional value chosen to be compatible with the system of astronomical constants in force since 2009. The astronomical unit is approximately equal to the Earth-Sun distance, was created in 1958 to measure the distances of objects in the solar system."
     
  20. wooleeheron

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    Unfortunately, General Relativity has turned out to have the same mathematics as thermodynamics and contains the glaring Simultaneity Paradox indicating that Relativity is misleading and requires a quantum mechanical description. All the classical logic, mathematics, and physics in the world cannot change the fact each astronomy headline contradicts the last and theoretical physics has not made significant progress in over 40 years. In fact, classical logic and physics are increasing turning out to be tautological and self-contradictory.
     

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