i get that, but its not just this thread. north vs south seems to keep coming up lately on the forum as a whole lately though. thats what i dont get.
Orsino's right though, history repeats itself. Rather than battling for control over our own country (newsflash people, the civil war was NOT about slavery. Lincoln just used it to justify his actions and was merely an afterthought. He was not the "great emancipator" that history has created him to be. The Emacipation Proclaimation was a way to stick it to the south and hopefully create a few more soldiers out of the slaves. Behind enemy lines. Lincoln could care two snits about the plight of African-Americans...), we are now battling over territory in other parts of the world. We are not looking to "colonize" Iraq persay, but we certainly want it under our thumb. To have a foothold deep in the middle of the Arabic world, we would be able to keep an eye on the fundamental Islamics and have a "say" in the crude oil sales. Why are we interested in Israel? Not because we support God's chosen, but because it gives us access to their world. Now we have Iraq, I guarentee our interest and work within the Israel/Palestine conflict is going to falter. Back to the Civil War, I believe whole-heartedly that the North fell down during reconstruction period in regards to helping the South. Carpetbaggers especially did not help raise the south up. We were too bent on punishing people who were already down, and were opportunistic to make a quick buck. This bred a racist vein that we are still battling with today (i.e. the KKK).That's the way it usually works, you bring one group down, they need a scapegoat to take their problems out on. Unfortunately, the South was a breeding ground for this thought before, so it was relatively natural for them to chose African-Americans. After all, they were getting so many advantages and special treatments over the people formally in power. That would erk anyone. I am not in anyway excusing their actions, the treatment of African-American women (and men) was inexcusable by plantation owners. This lead to a stunted growth to the racial identity of African-Americans, something they are still battling with today. Unfortunately, African-Amercian women have always gotten the short end of the stick - treated as "exotic objects" (a redundant thought...) throughout their history in the New World. Back in Africa, they were treated as equals and men had no concept of masculinity/feminimity. That is why initially in the slave movement, efforts to break males of their masculinity failed - they didn't recognize this as an insult to them. It was after several generations of torture and mistreatment did it finally begin to sink in. It is the dawn of the colonization of Africa that has brought about extreme patriarachal attitudes, and the country lines have further decimated growth. There are exceptions to this, there always is. It has been exacerbated and grown in size compared to what it originally was. Wow, that turned into something completely different from what I expected. Sorry about that - all my African-American Lit classes kicked in there. Sorry, my misunderstanding about the flag. The way I had it explained is that the confederate flag we see today is merely a battle flag for a VA(?) company. It was a while ago, so my information is slightly fuzzy. I just found it interesting to learn that it wasn't the flag of the confederacy as all the hicks in my town seem to believe. I am always shocked at the support (the wrong form of support mind you) some northerners have for the south. I'll admit, I have some of that northern elitist pride, but I can't be too judgemental of the south, most of my family comes from there. As I grow older I grow more accepting. I just wouldn't want to glorify something that has come to symbolize racism, refering to the infamous confederate flag, as most of the farmers in my area seem to do. Apparently there is a local KKK troupe? Didn't know that.
I've been told Alberta has the highest percentage of white supremasists outside of Mississippi...I know roughly where their compound is. I am afraid of Caroline, Alberta
Good Grief. The KKK is a scary group of people. They are too extreme in their beliefs, not even including the racist factor. They are the one's that help give Christians a bad name. I laugh everytime they say they hate Jews. Um...did anyone inform them that Jesus was the KING of the JEWS? Apparently they skipped over that part of the Bible.
A lot of Christians (not belonging to the KKK) hate Jews too... And a hecka bunch of Christians hate hippies, and Jesus was definately one of those too. I'm not meaning to defend the KKK, but from what I've seen, most religions/cults/groups in general have some form of extremity.
I agree, they are just one of the many groups that have lead to the decaying image of the Christian Church.
I've seen many a fiery cross, had family members in the klan (including Senator Byrd, of West Virginia, which I am related to), my uncle, and others... It's just... around, in my family. Nobody mentions it. Therefore, I decided to combat it by joining the SCV. The Ku Klux Klan also uses the protestant Christian flag in the same way as they use the Confederate Naval Jack. To be honest, when the KKK was formed, it really wasn't a hate group, per se. When General Nathan Bedford Forrest started it, it was more of a recognition sort of thing that tried to restore honor... It reminds me of that movie Wild Wild West... with Keven Kline and Will Smith. lmfao... Anywho, I just wished people would quit whining and bickering every time they see something that represents the region and then running their mouths about something they don't understand. Off to do landscaping, I suppose... I really don't feel like working on a Sunday, but this is my only free day where I can get a good five hours of labor down.
I've had the history of the KKK, I know who they were and where they came. But that's my point, it is what they have become. They add no relevant dialogue to the national scene, their message is of ignorance and closed-mindedness. Sure they were meant to raise pride in a crushed south, but the atmosphere lead to something darker and more sinister. Which is what we see today. Unfortunately what could be a good tool to help educate people, the famous confederate flag, has become a negative message to those who see it. Walk into any classroom with a flag like the one you have in your sig and I bet you anything no one would recognize it as the real confederate flag (at least in classrooms above the mason-dixon line. I have also heard the same thing said about the NAACP. They would tell you it's not true (obviously) and that that statement is racist. I had an African-American girl tell me to my face that I am racist, when I pointed out to her that she doesn't see her own duplicity with her statements (all whites are evil, seriously...she said this). She obviously doesn't believe that African-American's can be just as racist as whites. Only whites can be racist/prejudice. And NO there is no such thing as "reverse racism", that term alone makes me mad.
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