Non-Local Consciousness

The argument that Consciousness is actually Non-Local, and is channeled through the brain rather than created by the brain. And also a look on how this non-local Consciousness can interact with itself via the Quantum level.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm

http://davidpratt.info/goswami.htm

http://pimvanlommel.nl/files/Nonlocal-Consciousness-article-JCS-2013.pdf

http://jeffkobermeditation.com/2012/06/dr-amit-goswami-and-non-local-consciousness-june-4-2012/

http://www.superconsciousness.com/topics/science/why-consciousness-not-brain

http://iamspirituality.com/science-consciousness-may-be-non-local/

http://dreamhawk.com/body-and-mind/consciousness-the-brain-mind-body-split/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130398/

http://spacedoutscientist.com/2015/06/01/hermeticism-the-nexus-between-science-philosophy-and-spirit/

Just in case people are doubting the validity of Goswami and are throwing him into the "kooky" exception of Scientists, his book "Quantum Mechanics" is a primary textbook used in many universities regarding the study of the subject.

http://jeffkobermedi...ss-june-4-2012/

"In trying to understand certain of his life experiences, Professor Goswami began to seek answers in that place where science and spirituality seem to meet.

In the documentary Professor Goswami describes an experiment he witnessed, that since has been replicated by at least four other researchers, in which there seems to be scientific proof of what he calls ‘non-local consciousness,’ consciousness as the unified field, something that connects us all. It is what Jungians might call the collective consciousness, what Vedantists might call Self.

In this study, two people are brought together to meditate for 20 minutes with the intention that they communicate non-locally, directly, without any exchange of signal. Then they are separated and put in electromagnetically impervious chambers to ensure that no signal may be ‘sent’ from one brain to the other. The subjects are asked to maintain that meditative state of intention. Now their brains are connected to individual EEG machines, electroencephalographs, which will record the brain wave patterns of each subject. One subject (and only one subject. They do not switch back and forth) is shown a series of light flashes. This causes brain wave activity which is recorded by the EEG. From that information a potential can be extracted called evoked potential. Potential evoked by the light flashes. This extracted potential can be charted as a very specific brain wave pattern.

The other subject in the meantime is just meditating, but the EEG machine connected to the brain of this second observer who doesn’t see light flashes, who is never shown light flashes, consistently depicted transferred potential, the brain wave pattern of which was very similar in both phase and strength to the evoked potential that the first observer’s EEG gives us.

What does this mean? It means that electrical activity is being transferred from one brain to another without any electromagnetic connection. Without any signal. Through intention, the two brains have become correlated non-locally. There is no other way of understanding this result, according to Professor Goswami, and this understanding is to him proof of non-local consciousness. Oneness. Self, with a capital ‘S.’"

 

There is also the book I referred to documenting the research at MIT, with all the details on how to repeat the experiment and so forth. The experiment used the intention of several individuals who would focus there intent into an oscillator (which if I recall did not even have an output such as a speaker or antenna or what not---I don't recall seeing one on the schematic diagram). They were able to do all kinds of things from altering the .ph of water, changing the coagulation of blood, to even changing the growth rates of insect larva. The experiment was so powerful that they had to shield or remove the control experiment because the results were bleeding over into the control.

The book is called, Conscious Acts of Creation: The Emergence of a New Physics. I believe there are .pdf's that you can find on it online.

 

It's a very cool theory. Definitely need more studies to confirm these results.

I don't see how (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130398/) has anything to do with the thread though, that one is about ritual and placebo.

Also wanted to point out that there can't be much of a "scientific orthodoxy vs the truth" situation here as all your sources are mainstream science sources

Goswami is a physicist who published his article in a peer reviewed academic journal; if there is an orthodoxy of science, he is one of the high priests, writing in one of the gospels

Getting published in one of these places is extremely difficult btw.

Here is a great video to also get the neurons firing. Excuse the crude title, the whole talk is amazing, but this is the key area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZXewVWUKAM

 

Yay, another woo-woo science thread!

 

I also said that the thread is about how Consciousness has an effect on the material world, which is what the ritual and placebo study was referenced for. Placebo is another example of how Consciousness directly effects material reality via the power of belief and ritual.

I should have elaborated, but when I say that the thread is also about how this non-local Consciousness can interact with itself via the Quantum level, I am saying that what can also be discussed is how Consciousness has an effect on material reality, and can alter and change it.

In The Self Aware Universe, the book opens up with this:

"A critical level of confusion permeates the world today. Our faith in the spiritual components of life-in the vital reality of consciousness, of values, and of God-is eroding under the relentless attack of scientific materialism. On the one hand, we welcome the benefits derived from a science that assumes the materialist worldview. On the other hand, this prevailing worldview fails to satisfy our intuitions about the meaningfulness of life.

During the past four hundred years, we have gradually adopted the belief that science can be built only on the notion that everything is made of matter-of so-called atoms in the void. We have come to accept materialism dogmatically, despite its failure to account for the most familiar experiences of our daily lives. In short, we have an inconsistent worldview. Our predicament has fueled the demand for a new paradigm-a unifying worldview that will integrate mind and spirit into science. No new paradigm, however, has surfaced.

This book proposes such a paradigm and shows how we can develop a science that embraces the religions of the world, working in concert with them to understand the whole human condition. The centerpiece of this new paradigm is the recognition that modern science validates an ancient idea-the idea that consciousness, not matter, is the ground of all being."

And as far as the rest that you've said, just because he's in a good position to be public about these ideas, doesn't mean that the ideas themselves are mainstream. Relaxxx is already calling it 'woo-woo'.

Goswami is a physicist who published his article in a peer reviewed academic journal; if there is an orthodoxy of science, he is one of the high priests, writing in one of the gospels

And meanwhile I have posted and cited stuff from him multiple times only for it to get overlooked and Guerillabedlam already said that his ideas are pretty out there for any mainstream Scientist, which I would agree with. Would YOU agree with the notion of Non-Local Consciousness? You have seemed to take the stance of disagreeing with it up until this point.

Also, how many experiments would you say are needed to confirm this as truth?

As far as Deepak Chopra goes, you need people like Chopra and Eckhart Tolle and books like The Secret and stuff because your average person is much more likely to stumble across The Secret than he is a book on the Golden Dawn. I have nothing against Chopra and others. They help people get their foot in the door.

And the thing is, Writer, that the more proof there is for this stuff, the more proof there is for Magick, and the more likely that Quantum Magick will actually become a field of study in the future. Even if it didn't become a study out of Scientific bias, nonetheless, non-local Consciousness being channeled and harnessed by a human to effect material reality according to his will is MAGICK.

 

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/can-integrated-information-theory-explain-consciousness/

 

specious muddled thinking about semi-profound topics is a sign of, not intelligence, but lack thereof

science is based on unbiased thought - when money making gurus with fifty websites spout science they are prejudiced and the result, no matter what they are, cannot be true.

you cannot prove consciousness as a quantum field because the means to find such are purely subjective

so i call total bullshit on every point the op made

another cult
another salesman

 

Well this "cult salesman" is a Quantum Physicist whose book "Quantum Mechanics" is the introductory textbook to that field of study in every University.

The fact is is that the experiment has been reproduced repeatedly. Read it again in the OP if you are still confused.

And read The Self Aware Universe by Amit Goswami if you want the Scientific backing behind all of it. As Writer has already said, he has sent his ideas into peer-review Science journals that are difficult to get into. He's not some "guru" with 50 websites as you are suggesting.

 

bullshit - the fact that you are demanding our belief means you're a religious zealot
if you had merely asked people's opinion that would have been different
but you are propping people as if they are superior, thus propping your own ego

you are even more full of shit for doing so

 

Bullshit? What is bullshit? All I have done with this thread is provided links and ideas towards the notion of Non-Local Consciousness.

The fact that I am demanding your belief? What the hell are you even talking about? Are you blind?

I'm showing SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN REPRODUCED, dipshit.

Propping people as if they are superior? No, just correcting your confusion about a Quantum Physicist being a "guru salesman". Learn how to fucking read.

You mad, bro?

 

This is also fascinating, and I plan on checking this out. Here is more Scientific studies on the power of Consciousness and its effect on material reality, which makes a lot more sense when that Consciousness is Non-Local.

 

Well as far as I'm concerned this is just more blatant denial and resistance to a paradigm that is so contrary to one that is so deeply entrenched within the modern Western collective consciousness that even in the face of hard Scientific evidence, it's still not enough, and one must resort to spouting "Heresy! Certainly it must be!"

 

you think you're smart? you ever heard of yoga?

you think you are a forerunner of a new paradigm?

you are an egoist!

nothing more!

 

That's all you have to say? Yes I've heard of Yoga and have even practiced Kundalini Yoga before.

Aswami, that top Quantum Physicist I was talking about, first talked about this new paradigm. Though he's not the only one.

What else do you have to say? Why don't you actually look at the content and say something about that, instead of your ignorant opinions about me. Make yourself sound intelligible instead of projecting your lack of intelligence onto me.

 

sorry bub but i have a college degree and took physics and amwit goswami did not write the physics textbook that we used - i understand hyperbole - but in this case you are not making the case - you are conflating ideals and cheating each of its own integrity. science is more pure than religion - it has to be - and the two cannot combine

i wish the s=8 supergravity unified field was the same as my own consciousness and i could levitate and practice pada 3 of the yoga sutras too

i projected some dismay at you because you exacerbated govida bullwackie's importance and thus you sound like a typical cultist and to me cultists karmically deserve the same heap of bullshit that you plate up for others - somewhere in your web baffling is a paypal button and someone hoping to score

 

He didn't write physics books. He wrote a much used University text entitled 'Quantum Mechanics.'

Sorry, but he's a top respected Quantum Physicist. Resist all that you want. Your bias against Religion is reeking.

 

Your stance that "Science is more pure than religion, it has to be" shows that Science IS your religion.

 

If you need me to source how his text 'Quantum Mechanics' is used in many Universities just let me know. Now he is retired and is part of Quantum Activism. http://www.quantumactivist.com/

from the website:


There’s a revolution going on in science.
A genuine paradigm shift. While mainstream science remains materialist, a substantial number of scientists are supporting and developing a paradigm based on the primacy of consciousness.Dr. Amit Goswami, Ph.D, a pioneer of this revolutionary new perspective within science shares with us his vision of the unlimited potential of consciousness as the ground of all being, and how this revelation can actually help us to live better. The Quantum Activist tells the story of a man who challenges us to rethink our very notions of existence and reality, with a force and scope not felt since Einstein. This film bridges the gap between God and Science. The work of Goswami, with stunning precision and without straying from the rigors of quantum mechanics, reveals the overarching unity inherent in the worlds major religions and mystical traditions.

 

You projected some dismay because it ruffles your feathers to suggest that Consciousness is the ground of all being rather than Matter. It's almost taboo to even seriously consider it.

 

you're very attached to these ideas - i can swear up and down and tell you that ideas alone are pretty worthless when they can't be utilized - plus i studied with maharishi mahesh yogi and meditated in a group of two thousand people in fairfield iowa for many years - your goswami isn't the slightest bit original nor is he accomplishing anything near what maharishi did

we had john haeglen for physics professor - a cern trained quantum physicist - i don't need accolades from some physicist's website

if you can't prove it it's religion - even if you muddle the terms with science

i learned that in spite of everything maharishi was a cult leader and i left after 15 years

you're a wet eared pup

i might be an asshole-but you're gonna get screwed in yours since you can't think straight, and you have no practical experience