Nice France Terror Attack July 2016

How much more justifications are you going to try to find?

You say "sure they're muslim" like it's the most insignificant thing. It's really not.
ATM I am not scared at all that a christian, a buddhist or an atheist are going to pull a knife on me in France, Germany or wherever.

They are JUST broken individuals, you say. So many people are broken, yet they don't go on killing sprees. There's more to it all.

This piece of shit wanted to kill Germans, when they even gave him a home. Danke, Angela.
They rarely do integrate. They flee from violence and chaos, and they just recreate the same patterns all over again.


I am getting sick of it all.
At least my country's pretty safe, so yay,

Edit: now waiting for a lecture from Asmo and Meliai.
Open the borders...

 

^^ People should wake up before its Too late ^^
They Claim To Come for a Better Life While Trying to Turn Our Country's into The Shite Holes They tell us they are Escaping from
Refugees or Invaders ? sorry but Apologists Make me Angry!! they want us all to Bury our heads in the Sand

 

Meanwhile the Hungarians walk, talk and enjoy their lives completely safely and freely, while the rest of the world calls THEM barbarians and xenophobes

 

I dont want to lecture anyone, I get it. I'm not saying radical Islam doesnt exist, just maybe in the examples referred to in this thread it isnt so black and white.

But I guess the difference in my perspective and yours is I grew up in America. Muslims are your boogeyman but I grew up witnessing white guys pull this same shit in schools, movie theatres, etc. These guys didnt have an ideology. They were just fucked up, and I agree with VG when he said sometimes thats all it is.

Edit: i wanted to clarify, because i know americans can be annoying and make it all about them, that i wasnt trying to that - i was responding to your point about not being scared of atheists or christians. Thats nice for you but some people in the world are actually scared of other people besides Muslims. I'm at the point where i dont really trust anyone in the human race, which is why I guess i'm able to say "sure, they're muslim, but" like its no big deal.

 

You've done a complete 180 degree turn from merely a few weeks ago when you described islam as beautiful and misunderstood.

I'm glad you've done your homework. The problem is that ISIS understands Islam quite perfectly, and we in the west are struggling amidst a sea of people who think that understanding islam properly and criticizing it publically is tantamount to racism.

We are already at war, and it's really amazing what a small fraction of non muslims understand this.

 

I based my opinion on Bosnian and Croatian Muslims, lovely people. Culturally Muslim, go to mosque, observe the Ramadan, don't drink alcohol...but moderate.
However, I have also witnessed a change in some in the last few years, mostly in Bosnia.
But that's what you get when you allow too much Arabic (KSA mostly) influence in your country. Now the regular Muslims aren't even real Muslims according to them. A lot of sinister stuff happening in Bosnia atm...paradzemats, sharia controlled areas, Arabs buying so much property...to name a few.
These days I can't even read the AlJazeera Balkan comments without getting annoyed...are these the people we must live with? People who call us kuffars, pigs and whatnot..people justifying ISIS.
Muslims are becoming more and more religious, and that is proving to be a problem.
What is the problem?
KSA and Gulf states...wahhabism and salafism that they are spreading.


It has its appeal. You barely have to think. I mean, the Prophet even recommends on what side to sleep on!


And I've done my share of talking to some Arabs. Nice people, but with the views they have, I don't know what they're looking for in the west (except social benefits).

 

We are at war, i guess what bothers me is no one wants to recognize the western world's culpability in it.

And no I'm not some PC drone, but come on..just finished reading a news article about the 56 civilians killed by a US drone strike in Syria today.

If we're going to call it war can we please not pretend it is one sided?

 

Might as well call this one WWIII. Enough countries are involved.

 

Yeah, lets go ahead and do that.

Seriously though, why keep lying to ourselves and pretending the west is being attacked for no fucking reason, or because we're christians, or whatever. Nope, its because we're killing them too. Hate to break it to you.

Now i'll just go sit in the corner here where i'm going to throw my hands up and give up on everyone. You're all welcome to join me whenever.

 

No one's pretending the west is innocent (especially the US, a country that is so hard not to detest in today's world).
But we should then be more honest about it....like, completely honest. If we are at war, why are we so massively accepting and welcoming these people here...why are they allowed to transform neighbourhoods of European cities into sharia-controlled areas, where even police nowadays barely dares to go...The western world is truly hypocritical, that is for sure. The west IS responsible for all this, and they should stop playing goody two shoes.


I read in the comments on FB (Raqqa is being slauthered silently - https://www.************/Raqqa.Sl/?fref=ts) that some would rather live under ISIS than under Assad, if they had to choose. That is a good FB page btw, if one wants a glimpse into a day in the life of people in Raqqa :-/

Also, what is moderate opposition in Syria these days?
Except for Kurds.

 

Well aparently he lied about his age and country of origin (what, not a single "expert" noticed that there's something off with his accent or something...just shows you that they're doing a reaaaallyyy good job checking these people). I'm all for helping these people, as I realize it's unrealistic to close the borders, but you have to know who you're letting in, you have to make sure. So far it's been nothing but chaos.
And he was given a home in a German village, where local Catholic priest even provided a praying area for Muslims (I am sure Christians in his country would be given the same warm welcome).
Welcome, willkommen.

brought to you by Merkel, TIME's person of the year 2015


Meanwhile, I remember EP member Marijana Petir being laughed at and critiziced for stating that genocide is being committed against Christians in the Middle East.
It's just not cool to care about Christians. They're evil, they committed so many atrocities...just remember the Crusades and Inquisition, a few centuries ago.

 

The war we are in is not a reaction to US foreign policy; it was raging hundreds of years before the USA would come to exist. This war is commanded by the prophet Muhammad and by Allah in the Quran and Hadith. He exemplifies it in the Sunna. Islam divides the world into two groups; the House of Islam and the House of War. It doesn't matter what the west did or didn't do in the middle east, Islam seeks global domination, being the final revealed religion of god. In one single battle, the prophet himself, single handedly decapitated around 800 jewish men. By himself. With his own knife. Have you ever cut down a tree? It's really hard work; you sleep like a dog afterwards. Imagine how hard it would be to cut through the flesh, sinew, muscle and bone of 800 grown men with a crude bronze blade. Imagine how exhausted and sweaty and completely fucking insane this guy was. This action is seen as a triumphant victory in Islam, because it represented the slaying of non muslims to make way for Muhammad's religion. This is the highest moral standard to which all of humanity is held in Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

This war has nothing to do with Obama or Bush, anytime you hear reference to modern US actions that is only an apologetic tactic to confuse you into thinking that somehow both sides are equal in this. But you have to look at intentions; our may not always be good, we may be seeking local power, or oil, sure, those are awful things. But we are not seeking to kill and subjugate the world and creating a global theocracy.

If you want to learn more about Islam, I really recommend just reading Quran, Hadith, and Sunna. The core texts of Islam will do enough to scare you out of your clothes. If you cannot stomach these texts, because they are indeed incredibly difficult to read, I recommend Bill Warner, a PhD Quantum Physicist who does great work in objectively studying Islam. There is also a great community on Youtube of former muslims who left the religion (on pain of death) and do good work in educating us westerners in what we're into.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXpX2OJhS2w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYkpiaj4AF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odgmyi80ZzE

My personal role model and hero, a woman who went from being an illiterate salafist somali refugee, to a member of the house of parliament and author in a handful of years, Ayan Hirsi Ali.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tektsSH-R0

 

I've come across the story of the time when the prophet is said to have taken part in the execution of about 350 Jewish prisoners at Medina. 800 with his own knife in a battle is news to me. Can you give a source for this?

 

Ibn Ishaq, p. 464; Watt, Muhammad at Medina, pp. 188-89; 214-17

They also kept the women and children as slaves, usually sex slaves.

Suppose it was 350 instead of 800; seems beside the point. Today if somebody beheaded 350 prisoners of war for religious dominance we would rally our armies against them and hang them at the Hague for crimes against humanity.

I also really like David Wood's style of videos, in that he cites everything he says right on the spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBgqa-xQwY

 

I wasn't saying something like look, it was only 350 so what's all the fuss about? Just interested in historical accuracy. The 350 figure came from 'The Life and Times of Muhamed' by Sir John Glubb. I don't think exaggeration or historical inaccuracy helps anybody's cause, and the cause of reason least of all.

Edit:sp.

 

The Guardian is saying the attacker had accomplices and planned the attack in advance.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/21/nice-attacker-plotted-for-months-and-had-accomplices-prosecutor

 

It's not going to stop anytime. It's going to get worse and worse and eventually the people will tire of their innefectual government and we will see an upshoot of right wing governments and policies across europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ePVxRLDM0

 

I'll check out your links, i've been meaning to learn more about Islam anyways.

And i dont really think anything you're saying is untrue, and I do think radical Islam is a problem the world is going to have to deal with, and fast.

And yet...I dont see how you can possibly separate the turmoil in the middle east from the outside intervention waging proxy wars in the region.

ISIS is the closest Islam has gotten in a few hundred years to realizing the Islamic phrophesy you speak of (because how can global Islamic domination even be a real threat without a central power behind it) but ISIS wouldnt exist at all if the US didnt destabilize relatively secular Iraq.

 

Take your time..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJo4B-yaxfk

 

and there it is

today, Munich, 9 dead

It might not have been a terrorist act with radical Islamic background, but who did it?
A person of Iranian descent, most likely.

These attacks in Europe are not carried out by native Europeans (it's less important if perpetrators are radical Muslims), and the rise of the right should not come as a surprise.