Nice France Terror Attack July 2016

We were supposed to continue this in another topic, but ok, I think everyone agrees that rich arab countries such as Saudi Arabia and certain emirates are acting disgusting by not taking in any refugees. Several other arab nations do though, as well as other 'muslim' countries. I just wanna state clearly to all these scared westerners that muslims in general are not the problem.
Yes, rich arab nations should also take in refugees. No, this does not mean that as long as they don't, our countries shouldn't either. But this seems to be the idea you are a fan of
Also, yes statistics show that there are coming in more arabs in Europe, but no they are not overtaking Europe. That is a false and misleading claim.

Ok, I'm sure this got the attention of a mod now as we both agreed not to continue this in this topic: I hope that they let these posts stand because it relates to the concerns about terrorists like the culprit here. If they don't please do not just delete my reply then (rather no posts at all).

 

One question that arises from this is how can any country guard against these kinds of attacks. Seems almost impossible.

Closing the borders isn't going to do it. Surveillance pretty useless.

Hollande is really in a difficult position.

 

Now now, surveilance is not useless at all. It could be it has prevented other attempts already. And maybe it will be the key in avoiding another such attempt! Not to say it isn't very difficult and frustrating of course
Borders should be closed for illegals, not for legal refugees even when they (gasp!) happen to be arab (or north african) There is absolutely no good reason to let anybody in a country as France without following the proper security protocols now, and there is also absolutely no good reason to let every arabian refugee pay the price because some french guy with north african heritage (tunisian if im right) pulled of a terrorist attack. And no, that other terrorists were actually arabian is also not a good reason to let every refugee from such a nation suffer and die on the mediterrean sea. It sounds like the simplest solution for us western people But it is not a solution for anything.

 

I don't mean that in all cases surveillance is useless. But if someone with no visible links to extremists decides to enact an attack on their own initiative, no amount of it will help. I think it's very difficult in such circumstances to do much.

I agree with the rest of what you've said there.

 

so if that the case how can you no it was a terrorist attack. think for yourself and stop letting the media tell you what is what. still no prof. i even had friends and a brother who is a solider say exactly the same thing. sorry it just dosnt add up. and thats all i have to say.

 

Thinking for myself leads me to the conclusion this most likely was a terrorist attack.

 

A terror attack done by a person who was probably a psychopath.

 

Did I say I know it was a terrorist attack? (although I believe it was)
You stated some "facts", which are not facts at all.

But if your friends and brother say so, then that's it then, close the thread, you guys!

Also I have little respect for people who say things like "think for yourself and stop letting the media tell you what is what". What a freakin cliche.
Just like my boy Asmo, thinking for myself has led me to believe this was indeed a terrorist attack.
But maybe I should listen to some random guy on HF instead.

 

How is this not an act of terrorism?

Just because the guy had no direct ties to any terrorist organization, did not strictly adhere to Islam, ate pork, drank like a fish, etc. that doesn't mean he couldn't've been influenced by ISIS propaganda.

My roommate and his relatives are Muslim. They smoke lots of bud, drink, and go to strip clubs frequently.

 

The ideology behind a sinful martyr is: they believe they can erase their sins with the act of martyrdom and be in paradise. Its really that simple..

 

Islamic State has taken credit for the attack. Seems the easy thing to do. Anytime someone goes nuts just claim it as a 'successful operation'.

 

i am not after you respect. having it or not having it means very little to me. i dont think it is a cliche it is what i see. thats cool you have your opinon i am have mine. i dont agree with you, you dont agree with me and life will go on.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwp4znSQ3WM

 

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Lol, stopped watching that after one minute. That Hollande said France has to live with terrorism does not mean they are willing to tolerate it. It just means they have to prepare themselves that it is not over (and that that's really hard). Then a comment on european kaliphates.
Come on, are you really that gullible Chigurh, or are you just that eager to believe what nitwits like the guy in the video are saying. The terrorists are winning because they are protected by leftist westerners? Maybe the guy in the vid is mixing things up (as are a lot of people on here where it comes to religious extremists and normal muslims). And the french suffer from stockholm syndrom... really man. Your post should be in the bullshit forum, the conspiracy forum is too good for it.

edit: It is cool that you make clear this way that your opinions are rooted in biased stereotypes, the same old fear mongering that other people are tricked into by their lack of understanding of the average muslim and lame ass assumptions on what the consequences will be of what some politician has said.

 

Even that falls under the category of what you want to believe.

There has to be something broken about this kind of individual...as opposed to humanity itself. Some mental problem, something broken with his brain, as opposed to just being a selfish piece of shit that didn't give a shit about anyone. If feels safer blaming "psychiatric problems" rather than dealing with the thought that there are always going to that small percentage of the population that don't give a shit about anyone else.

This guy was divorced with three young kids, apparently sent 84K pounds to his family a week before, yet at the same time was seen purposely aiming for a candy stall with a bunch of kids around during the attack, what the hell is that about?

The Orlando shooter had a young son as well.

What the hell brings them to do obvious suicide runs AFTER they have children.

Not every guy that starts a new family goes to these extremes of course, but why do so many guys seem to go into meltdown after a new child.

If I add that to the list of things to blame, it won't be very popular, many will think it's ridiculous....and yet...

Also, 99% of these perpetrators are male, if I simply add testosterone to that list of things to blame. ..same thing, most will still want to blame ISIS.

And yet, if there is one common denominator, whether its Breivik, the older brother in the Boston Bombings thru to Mateen or this guy....youngish angry guys pissed off at the world becuase the world didn't hand everything to them, and its someone elses fault, never their own and this kind of thing is some fucked up way of becoming important...even though it really means they were just scared of having to deal with real life as someone mediocre for how ever many decades they really have left.

Radicalized by Muslim hillbillies in Northern Iraq and Syria. Bullshit
Anti-social Bullshit Personality Disorder. Bullshit.

 

It would appear to me that the individual is the symptom and humanity the parasitic origin. There is a reason one doesn't build a house out of glass.

 

Individuality is a great thing. There is a power when someone loses the fear of self and gains a sense purpose with a group.

I prefer the non-complicated power of simply elevating the self with some sort of power from within. Just being alone and at peace with that. Not having any attachment to any group or purpose.

 

What's the common denominator (here's a hint - it ain't buddhism)

yesterday
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/about-20-people-injured-in-axe-attack-on-train-in-germany

today
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/man-stabs-french-woman-and-her-three-daughters-for-being-scantil/

tomorrow
....

 

This post brought me some comfort for about a minute until I remembered how humanity is fucking shit up all over the planet, as a whole, not just a few individuals.

But I do think maybe you're right about the perpetrators of recent attacks. Sure, they're muslim but otherthan that they arent any different than the various angry young white men who have went on shooting sprees in America the last couple of decades. They're just broken individuals.

 

Here's a poor broken individual.
Maybe we should have hugged him more.
We should have tried to understand him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWqDK5JBBNg