Next Biggest Attack On The U.S.

You would say that I take one passage of scripture and spin an entire doctrine from it. Well that statement is nor entirely true. Of the verse in question I have taken two points of scripture. One coming from the Old Testament an the other from the New Testament. On this one topic there is not an abundance of evidence, yet I find no reason to reject what the scriptures are saying here because it is not repeated numerous times. Also useing church tradition, is often the way of error, taking into consideration what Jesus has told us about the traditions of men. The bible also tells us that it is the Holy Spirit that is our teacher. And yes there are many doctrines of men these days, and that is why I trust that small still voice inside of me. What I am finding is that other Christians who also listen to that voice are in agreement with what I have heard. You would say what I believe may or may not be true, but then dogmatically state what I have said is not Gospel. Which only proves, you must be elevating your unbelief of my understanding to scriptural authority. Two can play that game. I was in the church for years, and what I find disturbing is how sin can be rampant in the church and those in charge will say nothing. Yet as soon as man talks about God showing him something, those in charge will be the first one's to attack him. Because they will not have their authority questioned. The spirit of the pharisee is still alive today.

 

Actually your beliefs are dependent on God's approval. And those who say truth need only be true in their own eyes, are headed for disaster. And when you say you accept my beliefs, what you are really saying, is you accept them for me not for you. Actually your thinking is so bizarre. I question who I am really speaking to? The bible states their are none that are righteous, no not even one. This was never about who was righteous, but rather who was saved. And I can tell you, no one will enter heaven without the blood of Christ.

 

Are the scriptures in any way insufficient, that they need to be added to in any way for people to hear and understand the gospel?

 

Just wondering which passages in the bible led you to conclude those things, since most people who believe the former these days got the idea from The DaVinci Code, not from reading the new testament. The second idea is a new one to me. I'll just go ahead and say it, and that is that I don't think a straightforward reading of scripture yields either of those ideas. There is plenty of evidence about what the early eyewitnesses claimed, not only in the gospels but also in the early church writings. ''Gnostic'' gospels, which are the primary source for those kinds of beliefs, were written much later, after all the eyewitnesses had died and could no longer refute their errors. Scholars agree that they were written later. Personally, even if I did find an idea that came along later to be more appealing, I'd still have to go with what eyewitnesses wrote, if I wanted to get as close to the truth as possible.

 

If they seek to understand the scriptures, God will give them that understanding. The problem is, most people do not strive and ask God in prayer to open up the words of His book. The God of the bible states that we should search His word for the treasures within. Most donot. There is so much there, but this worlds attention is elsewhere.

 

Please, I do not want to be sarcastic, but the only logical thing to ask at this point is, if people cannot be bothered to read the scriptures, it is then your innovation that is going to grab their attention? Since the bible does not speak of the return of Christ in the early 21st century, you think you will get peoples' attention by promoting that belief and putting an imminent date on it's occurrance?

No, rather than get people interested in reading the bible, the only things that succeeds in doing is persuading people that there is no unanimity about the fundamentals among Christians, and encouraging them to concoct private interpretations of their own. Why read the bible when you can make it up? These abberations are the tragic legacy of the (second) breakup of the Church in the 16th century. Now, even ''Christians'' believe what is right in their own eyes.

 

Well if what you are saying was true, there must be a number of us Christians who's minds are linked together, because many of us are saying the same thing based on what we have either read in the bible or have seen in visions. Even after I understood what I believed, I discovered other Christians telling the same story. These were Christians I never met and yet their stories and their writings match mine. Do you think are stories would agree if we were all making these things up? One Christian wrote that in a vision, he saw missiles coming out of the water and they were coming from the oceans that surround America. What is of interest here is that in 1950 when he had this vision, there were no missile carring submarines. Yet He saw this. He stated these missiles were headed for America. He also said he saw what looked like interceptor missiles trying to knock down the one's coming from the water but they failed. His vision agrees with my story, and there are many other Christians telling the same story. We are not making this up, we are telling you the truth of what we know.

 

Only God has the right to take a human life, you donot. A simple fact you may never understand. The countless people that God will judge, are the one's who hate Him, and hate His creation. American's shows their contempt for God by killing over a million children a year by abortion, and then throw these children back into God's face. God is not evil, people who support and pratice this are. These people need Christ in their lives, not abortion.

 

Big deal firing missles from subs were already in sci-fi in the 50's. Also there will never be interceptor missles in our life times, they can't even hit a single target without cheating, so odds are the US will scrap the MDS system after they spend trillions of dollars and still can't a single prototype to work. Not to mention if fired from submarines even if the US had working MDS they would never launch as that close since the computers will never be able to figure out it is a missle attack in time let alone calculate a intercept projectory and fire interceptor missles. Plus with that many targets currently the computers the US use, just overload and shutdown.

The vision is bunk as MDS is bad science fiction next you'll start talking about junk like teleporters.

Yhea that is what we need, blind faith as we doom our species. Those unborn children would need clean water and food that is disappearing fast. You want WWIII over a few million children? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

We are overpopulated and the Earths support systems are crumbling under our weight so I may be wrong but I don't think putting more people on Earth would is a good idea.

 

Well Israel already has a MDS system called the Arrow that works very well. And America is working at full speed to deploy some of our interceptor missiles in less then 10 years. America does not have an overpopulation problem, we do have an over weight problem. I don't believe in blind faith. That is why I believe in the bible. You see I actually took the time to read this book, and what I have found is that God is going to destroy our nation in about 30 years. It is because of the abudance of evil in America. This one event will fulfill many of the end time prophecies that most people ignore. The bible states that before we are destroyed the Jews would be back in Israel, and they would control Jerusalem. Also the bible states at that time the East Gate that leads to the temple mount would be sealed up. It was sealed 400 years ago and remains that way today. The bible states that no man will walk through the gate but Jesus Christ and it will remained sealed until He returns. The Moslems found out about the prophecy and tried to break through the gate to destroy the prophecy. They could not. On the very day they tried back in 1917 the British took control of Jerusalem. Then they tried again to do it in 1967, this time it was the Jews that entered the city and the Moslems had to run again. The bible also states that America, and all her cities will burn and that our nation will be destroyed in one hours time. The prophecies of the bible cannot fail, but those who reject it's truth will die in their sins.

 

Wrong. Israel had the Arrow but with a 0% hit rate (out of every Arrow fired in the first Gulf War only one destroyed its target) they scraped the Arrow

The US can't even get the Arrow to work not only that but the recent MDS has a even worse success rate then the Arrow. Even with pre-calulating the projectory of the target before the test and putting a homing single in the target they can't get it to work half the time.

MDS screams vapourware if you had the slightest bit of technical knowledge would see the MDS as impossible.

Wrong. Over weight people count for a small percentage of the total population of 6 billion. Also we do have a overpopulation, that be fruitful and multiply was a stupid idea. If you don't belive we are overpopulated you are blind just fucking look, the Earth is dying under our weight (Humans has infested the planet) and even we went to a Illich society we would have to cut the global population by at least half.

Even with abortion, disease,violence, famine,ect we can't even level off population growth meaning the biggest crisis is over population. I think God gets the message that when we abort we mean no disrespect but we have no vacancy.

Of course abortion only delys a complete crash of Earths biosystem, we need to do more. We need to make sure there is enough contraception for everyone, educate on forms of sexual plesure that doesn't lead to babies including self pleasure also not to discourage homosexuality.

If God destroys anything he would cross over to the darkside. Even God can't get rid of evil with a iron fist as it would lead to a dead world with nothing left.

Do you follow God because you belive in what God is or because you fear God? If God is evil enough to raise a finger in anger, sweet non-existance will come for me and I will embrace it.

 

Monday, October 4, 2004

MISSILE DEFENSE MAY SOON BE READY

BY JOHN J. LUMPKIN
Associated Press

WASHINGTON-THE military is in the final stages of readying its national ballistic missile defense system, with officials predicting it will be activated before year's end. But several questions remain, including how well the experimental missile interceptors work.
The Pentagon maintains that any defense against intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) is better than none. Critics contend the Bush administration is vastly overselling an expensive, unproven defense system.

Well it appears you were wrong on the MDS, it is going to be deployed and according to the bible and visions from other Christians the defense system will fail, when it is needed. The bible again was right and you are wrong. Remember you said we were not going to have one. You must go through life ignoring everything that is happening around you, and think because you say it on line your views are true. With Bush in the White House for 4 more years this system will be activated.
During the gulf war are missiles did hit the scuds a number of times but they did not destroy the war heads which did blow up when they hit the ground.

And as far as killing the unborn, God gets the message alright. Abortion is another way of giving God the finger, which American's do a lot.

Those who reject God's truth will not die and go to sweet non existance, but rather they will enter the relm of fire. Which is eternal flames prepared for the Devil and those who support him.

It is not God who has imbraced the dark side. God knows how to save His people, and He has prepared the host of heven to remove His people before the day of vengence is visited on the earth. Those who love murder will live in an earth of murders. What horror is in store for those who mock God.

 

The Gulf War, that is ancient history.
ARROW MISSILE- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you say they scraped the Arrow.

On July 29, 2004 Israel and the USA carried out joint experiment in the USA, in which the Arrow was launched against a real Scud missile. The experiment was a success, as the Arrow destroyed the Scud with a direct hit.

Following the successful trial the Israeli Minister of Defense, Shaul Mofaz said,

"this is a central plank of Israel's defense ability. The success of the test is further proof of the technological superiority of Israeli Defense Industries"

The system has a high success rate and Israel plans to deploy the system at several locations to provide complete protection for the state. Procedures are reportedly in place to launch a second Arrow Interceptor should the first miss and to then launch one of the latest Patriot missiles should both fail.

Doesen't look like they scraped the Arrow to me.

I'm sorry to say this, but you really need to do your homework. It appears to me you know nothing about what's going on in the world. Yet, you get on this post and make these broad statements without one ounce of fact to back up your statements.

 

We won't, it is just a scam for the Bush admin to line the pockets of their freinds.

There is nothing to activate, it a hoax like Regans starwars....Russian spys have already found that out which why Russia is no longer is aginst the MDS.

Wrong they came close and the computer blew them up to terminate their flight path so the armed warhead would not fall back to Earth the fact that some did some damage to scuds was a side effects.

We have no space. There is no vacany on Earth. All because of that all be fruitful and multiplus so if God said it, God is partly to blame.

Your just being silly, like God is going to be more evil the humanity. Torturing good people that just don't agree with him that would make God as bad as Stalin.

If God has that big of ego he is unenlightened jerk with too much power.

You selling God like those of Greek myth, full of human flaws.

 

So what you are telling me is when Iraq was shooting scuds into Israel. Iraq blew up their own misiles to terminate their flight path. And why would they do that? And russia knows are anti missiles system will not work so they are building one now that would destroy ours. And why would they do that? And if they are not against are system why are they spending millions of dollars to destroy ours? The bible predicted the Jews would return an take south Israel first they did 1948. The bible said they would take Jerusalem second, they did 1967. The bible said the East Gate would remain sealed untill Christ returns, it is. The bible states that when the Jews return they would be surrounded by enemies they are. The bible stated that in the day that Christ returns, nations could destroy other nations in one hours time, they can. No, God is not the one with the human flaws, it is people who think they are better than God, who support the killing of inocent human life. God states that in the end, all people who love evil, will be burned in the furnace of fire. Their will be no murders in heaven. God states that those who love evil have reprobate minds, they mock what is holy, and rejoice in their evil ways. Their shall be wailing and nashing of teeth for those who think murder is acceptable. The bible speaks the truth you can see this in the prophecies. Ignore that truth, and ten million years from now you will still be cursing yourself for an endless eternity. Believe me, the bible is not a book you want to mock or ignore.

 

whichever country the USA has made mad...whoever we helped out by giving them weapons...which ever country that lets us boss it around

 

No Isreal and US blew up their interseptors since the computer is programed to blow them up. The interseptors didn't get within effective range yet the computer couldn't just let the interseptors fall back else they would blow up and damage what its tring to protect. The Scuds just got in the way of the falling debris of the interseptors.

Ohhh they had technology to get passed the MDS since the 70's. It cost Russia and China next to nothing to ensure all their ICBMs can fool MDS in the event the US tries to put MDS in the field and it gets lucky.

Since the 70's they had dummy warhead, multipul warhead and minimissles in ICBMS.

Try just hundreds of thousands to MDS proof, it is more an exuse to update their ICBMs. Russia wants new warhead and better tracking/targeting systems and MDS proofing is a good cover.

Yhea and they all are mostly likely self fulfilled prophecies.

Uhhh God created a flood and killed countless of innocent animals for no good reason. Either a) God is a murder that makes your statment false or b) We are just talking about myth

Again God supposedly killed alot unless you take those instances as myth that weaken alot of what your saying.

It is either completly true and God is not 100% good or the bible is not 100% true or worse pure myth. Of course God can exist even if the bible is myth.

 

In the 70's America used a plane called the SR-71 for spy flights over Russia. The plane flew thousands of missions at mach 3.2 and at an altitude of 85,000 feet. In that whole time Russia was never able to shoot them down. This plane was much slower than any missile, yet they could not even bring one down. And could you give me your source, that states that Russia, an China had missiel to missile technology back in the 70's. Don't worry, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it. I think you make up your facts as you type anyway, RIGHT.

 

You don't need missle to missle technlogy to overcome MDS. Also you just proved a problem with MDS, it is far easier to design a ICBM then a interceptor.

In the 70's they had dummy warheads and multipul warheads for other reasons. The dummies where to bog down tracking systems to make it harder to know where it is going to hit and multipul warheads was to do more damage and incase of duds.

The book "The New Nuclear Danger" goes into some of this.

Yet russia did try missle to missle in the 80's but found they would need more computing power then that of all the computers we have even today.

 

Yes and I find it interesting that the bible predicted there would be a country like America in the last days that would build up an air defense that would fail, and this country and all of her cities would be destroyed in one hours time. By an enemy from the north who would surround her. And even more interesting is at that same time the Jews would of already of returned to Israel. And the captial of Israel would be Jer(USA)lem. And we also find that these are not self fulfilling prophecies. For know one could of predicted the discovery of a nation like America 3,000 years ago, that would have a faulty air defense system protecting her. Just as the Old Testament prophets could not of predicted that the East Gate of Jerusalem would be buried, and then a second Gate would be built on top of the old gate, and that the second gate would be sealed up so no one could pass through it. And then they predicted that the gate would never be opened up until Christ would return. And as the prophecy stated that gate is sealed today. And they also predicted that any attempt to break the prophecy would end in failure. And two attempts were made by Moslems once in 1917 and a second time in 1967. And on both attempts Jerusalem passed from Moslem control on the very day they tried to break the prophecy. And now the bible states that America is going to have a defense that will fail. I actually typed a 14 page paper describing pretty much the whole story. You know that a missile defense will not work. I know it will not work, not because of my technical understanding, but because of my biblical understanding. The bible states that America will not counter attack. It also states that after this the Sun will be dimed, the stars will withdraw there light, and the moon will appear blood red. The expected atmospheric change do to a nuclear war. The bible also states that after the attack man an beast would have to flee the land and no one will ever be able to live in that land again. It also says that no man will even be able to return to that land even to remove a stone for a foundation because the land will be completely polluted. Non of these event's comes even close to a self fulfilling prophecy.
And there are so many other prophecies talking about our future.