Next Biggest Attack On The U.S.

Fear and ugliness and anger will destroy us all, and people of all faiths and all walks of life will perpetuate this. Jesus only asked us to follow his example, Buddha only told us there was a way, but god, (or time, or some alien race(haha)), gave us free will, and he will be the only judge. Ill find out when my time has come.

 

Well people who often only look at plot holes are the same ones who ignore the bible prophecies. The bible is packed with evidence. Especially when you look at the pridictions of the future which involve Israel, the United States, Europe and Russia. Are whole future is recorded in the book. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident. It is part of God's bigger plan. If you are interested in the future and the evidence for the bible. I would suggest you read Ezekiel chapters 37, 38, 39. It's fascinating. And these chapters are just the tip of the iceberg. Believe me, people don't end up like me based on a lie. All this stuff about Jesus Christ, it's real, and you can't take that to the bank. He is a God of wonder.

 

Actually Jesus did not say only to follow His example. What Jesus did say is found in John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Don't wait until your time comes or it will be to late. Jesus states that now is the day of salvation. Every man needs to be born again in Christ. When you ask Christ to forgive you of your sins He will, and when you ask Him to be the Lord of your life He will. It's your choice.

 

I read the same bible you do, and have reached some of the same conclusions you have. But I believe that you have a responsiblity to delineate where biblical truths end and your own private interpretations (or revelations, if that's what they are) begin. Surely you know that they do not hold anything like the same weight! I read your website, and frankly, a lot of the details are nothing more than speculation, but they're presented as fact, and mixed together with scriptural details. That is sloppy exegesis, or, if you are really going to claim that the Holy Spirit revealed all that to you, you are just one more self-proclaimed prophet amongst thousands, all with differring stories to tell, and one thing is sure about that: all, or all but one, of them will be proven to be false prophets once even one of their predictions does not come to pass. Yes, abortion is wrong, yes, most Americans have turned from God, yes, Jesus is returning, but you are stating things as biblical fact that are no where stated in scripture! Do you see how this can cause problems? Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will inform current non-Christians who will become believers of the truth of your private revelations? Then what of all the other private revelations out there that differ? Or are you the only true prophet? You say that many all over the world are coming to the same conclusions? I will show you many who say almost the same things, but differ on the details. And you present those details as on par with scriptural truth! I hope you see what I'm getting at.

 

HERE IS A RESPECTABLE AUTHOR THAT BELIEVES THE SAME THING AS CAMPBELL.... CAMPBELL IS NOT JUST SOME CRACKPOT.....

R. A. Coombes

Biblical Prophecy has been an area of special studies and research by the author for over 30 years. It began in earnest during his years of study at the prestigious Moody Bible Institute of Chicago, Illinois; and later at Calvary Bible College of Kansas City. Afterwards, the author developed a dual career path of radio announcing as well as that of news reporter and journalist for various large and small market radio stations in the midwest. Among those he worked with in the radio industry was Rush Limbaugh, long before Rush became famous.

The author also pioneered a second career path in Sales/Marketing and also in Public Relations as a consultant for large and small clients. His most notable client was President Ronald Reagan during the 1984 re-election campaign.

Look what he has come up with... BABYLON IS AMERICA
http://www.americathebabylon.com/exerpts.shtml



Other theoligians with this view: Franklin Logsdon, David Wilkerson

This is not just Campbell's own idea...

 

Dropping the name of an antichristian hatemonger such as Rush does not impress me of anyone's credentials, but I'll concede that Coombes at least makes an attempt at scholarly argument in his work. Campbell's work, on the other hand, is full of all kinds of details that may as well have been pulled out of a hat, yet they are thrown in together with scriptural details as if they are of the same authority. It doesn't matter whether you or I think that America is Babylon. I happen to agree that there is a close corellation. But there is a big distinction between what the bible says, and someone's private interpretation of it. Furthermore, not only does Campbell claim that, but if you read his site, you will see that he includes all kinds of specific details, with absolutely no evidence to back them up, as if they are straight out of scripture. This is a gross abuse, and that is why I'm bothering to challenge it publically.

 

You are right but incredibly wrong, in the bible when it speaks of israelies it doesnt speak of jews, modern day jews are the babylonian (sp), israelies, isreal whatever is the reference to the caucasian race. There are a good amount of books and things published on this. I cant really go much further into it because 1) I dont want to sound like a racist 2) I dont know enough about it, I dont want to give you wrong information and look like a dip shit. I do suggest everyone to read that though, the guy has everything down accurately on whats going to happen. Anyone who says that what is written there is false is truly a dipshit. Im sorry.

 

First you wrote that you ''don't know enough about it,'' then conclude by writing that ''anyone who says that what is written there is false is truly a dipshit.'' Written where? You mentioned ''books and things published on this'' without specifying anything that anyone could read about, though you suggest doing just that. Well, the only sources I've ever seen that claim those things are racist. Could you give me a link to one that isn't? Not trying to be a pain, but would like to clear that up.

 

I am a big believer that all major religions and some ancient civilizations all binded togethor. Its hard to explain, most people that have researched christianity, the aztecs, and mayans will all see this similarity. In this cambells writing I have discovered this verse, "After two days He will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight" (Hosea 6:2). Now, it was either the mayans or aztecs, I forget which, that believed on the final days of the world that there would be a three day "thing". The first day we would find the god within ourselves, the second day we would become so spiritual that we would become telepathic even, I forget the third. You get the idea though.

Its amazing how people can deny the existance of such a thing as god when almost any intellectual person should be able to recognize these similarities between civilizations which had no contact with eachother from my knowledge. The I ching calendar, the aztecs and the mayan calendar all believed the world would end on 2012. Its amazing how these civlizations all believed the same thing. Its hard for me to explain things because I have a bad memory and can only remember bits and peices of things I read. To me, my beliefs, are that the world will end in 2012 and christianity is the chosen religion.

Ugh so confusing.

Please dont flame me for putting togethor such a bad post, im just trying to get my thoughts out there somehow, put some input, I dont have all the answers to what I believe, sources, etc. Everything ive posted on this thread probably looks moronic because it isnt put togethor well.

Also, Im not positive if the mayans and aztecs had contact between eachother, I know they were both located basicly right beside eachother but were they different periods of time?

 

I dont know enough about it to write somthing that would be easily understandable, I dont have sources, I dont write down everything I read, I should start. I just read and remember what I read not sources.

What cambell was written. Anyone who completely writes it off is a dipshit in my eyes.

I dont have any sources, ive just read bits and peices here and there, im sorry, im sure with a google search you could uncover somthing. Even if they are racist, it doesnt make it not true. Im probably going to get a lot of neg rev for these posts and labeled as a racist. Im not a racist, I have beliefs though. I wouldnt ever treat someone of the non caucasian race any different than a caucasian.

You arent being a pain, I understand where you are coming from. Im not trying to be a pain either, its hard for a 14 year old to put his thoughts down without looking like a moron.

 

Ok, ive gotten a source on the chosen race, israel, caucasian stuff. Its a book called "the reformation of israel" by WM.Norman Saxon. Started reading it now . My grandfather gave me the book.

 

I do appreciate your responses, and no, I don't think you're a racist. I think you are a spiritual enquirer, who has already read a lot about these things, and thought about them as well. Not remembering where you read certain things is perfectly understandable! Joseph Campbell was a fascinating man who was a real pioneer in many ways; I've seen him interviewed by Bill Moyers, someone I have a whole lot of respect for, on PBS. I agree that there are patterns in history and in spiritual practice by people in different parts of the world that cannot be explained through rational means. Carl Jung wrote a lot about this.

I do take issue with British Israelism and ''Christian'' Identity, and would just ask you to examine their claims critically. Please at least have a look at this page:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5951/BI.html

This more difficult reading specifically mentions Norman Saxon, but may be more than you want to try to digest:
http://www.biblicalexaminer.org/ii-intro.htm
http://www.biblicalexaminer.org/ii-01.htm

All I ask is that you question the underlying motive behind the beliefs put forth by those movements. In recent years, they have become very closely identified with racist skinheads.

 

So once again, instead of beliveing we should follow his example, you belive that as long as its Jesus himself that I accept into my life Ill be alright, So I can single handedly murder 6 million people, posion water supplies and cut out the tongues of my enemy, but as long as before I die I accept Jesus into my heart and ask him to forgive my sins. Does that seem like it is what he wanted?
Better yet, could I be a society created monster who spouts out his personal truth, and ruins peoples lives and self confidence with words, treating all others unlike he himself would ever be treated, denouncing others beliefs because he is the superior one? But as long as I accept Jesus and ask him to forgive me It'll be alright?
How do I know that the zealots of this world are not just the Devil in disguise trying to lure me astray with hate?

 

The bible clearly states we will be raised up on the third day. The third day will begin in 30 years. Also the bible states that the generation that see Israel become a nation once again will not pass away until all end prophecies are fullfilled. In 30 years that generation will be 86 years old. I can't speak for the other private revelations. Only my own. And I find other Christian now coming forward with the very things I am now telling you.

 

Oh brother. There's just no use trying to discourse with someone completely trapped in their own self-referential universe.

 

Please tell me what details you are speaking of, and the lack of evidence that concerns you. If you do a little research, you will find that I and a number of other Christians are say the same thing. If you type in America and Babylon in a search engine you will find numerous sites that are saying that America is Babylon.

 

If you took the time to read my post, I stated that Jesus said not only to follow His example, but we also had to be BORN AGAIN. How did you think killing 6 million people had anything to do with my post?

 

Please understand that it's not your advancement of the theory that America = Babylon that I find so disturbing. Quite the contrary, as I wrote earlier, I find that theory to be quite plausible. It is the advancement of the theory in one sentence, with or without adequate supporting evidence to make it a plausible theory,followed by the usage of that theory as if it now has the stature of scriptural fact. Now, I'm going to lose some non-Christians here, who don't believe that scripture is fact, but I don't mind - I'm willing to clarify this point by saying that I think scripture is fact precisely because of my faith - I don't claim scripture is fact in the same way as the pythagorean theorem, say, is fact. But I digress.

What is equally troubling is how you take one passage of scriputure, and spin an entire doctrinal point out of it, in a way that does not have the consensus of the historical church behind it. Your interpretation of Hosea 6.2 is plausible, but you are elevating it to a near scriptural authority with no real evidence to back it up! Do you not believe that scripture ought to interpret scripture, or that a Christian ought to at least take into account the precedents set by previous generations of Christians? They were inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is too easy to innovate scriptural interpretation based on what seem to be the evidence of current events. Yes, we need to interpret the signs of the times, and for that reason, based on all the available evidence, it does seem that Christ's return may be near. But there are so many ''doctrines'' of men these days, that have only threads of scripture supporting them, not strong rope. One of these is the ''doctrine'' that the Lord will return within one generation of the re-establishment of the state of Israel. That may or may not be true, and it is fine to give the reasons why you believe it, but it is not gospel.

 

Sorry but it is a universe that is shared by a growing number of Christians, and this knoweledge has come by way of the scriptures, and by independent visions from other Christians. I came to this understanding after asking God to show me the future. About a year later He did.

 

I am willing to let you believe the interpretations you and your buddies think are good ones. you have your reasons, I can't see what you see, I've not lived your life, and experienced what you have, so I cannot judge your conclusions. You judge mine though. I say you are right, and although I differ in opinion, I am too. We are in different places, different realities, so why can we not have different truths?
I read the Bible three times,
I concluded Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married, and have the bible verses to show why.
I concluded that the most beloved disciple, John, is a woman, and have verses that made me conclude that.
I interpreted much more that is contrary to most views, but will stop there.
You need not agree with me. It matters not to me if you do or not.
What does matter, though very little, is that I hope you can respect me enough as a spiritual human being, and equal, to not say I am wrong.
If you do, it only tells me you vainly feel you are better than me. If you want to believe that, okay, but I say you are no more spiritual, correct, or righteous than me. and no less. I will make a prediction....you will say I am wrong about this too, but still I will accept your beliefs, cuz my belief is not dependent on anyone elses approval.