did the letter bomb go off??? no of course it fucking didnt. i can think of a handful of violence from animal rights, and its unlimited from the otherside.
no.. I explained that wrong. what I mean is these farms and testers cause the distress to animals, and the animal rights people in turn create distress for the human workers etc. the animal suffering isn't going to stop soon at all, and by protesting violently (or whatever pixie might want to re-define violence as) isn't, in my opinion, going to get it solved as quick as if they stopped these attacks. therfore it's just creating more needless suffering. hypocritical, no? And I believe they would have progress, but these peaceful protests are undermined so much by the violent attacks of the activists. for example, if you said the word animal protesters to some random member of the general public, they would most probably think of attacks, and things actually ascociated with terrorism. they would be much more open to listen to views of people who don't post letter bombs. the peaceful protests wouldn't by overshadowed by all the shitty attacks the activists do, and therefore may well make more progress.
^are you saying i'm not a hippie because i don't condone violence? that is extremely contradictory and extremely stupid.
no, im not saying that. im saying i think people on here think been a hippy is all about pretenciousness cluelessness and buzzwords
^Yeah I'd go with that... I don't actually call myself hippy or anythin', I don't really like being classed as things, however many of my views seem to be inline with the hippie movement I guess. Even in this argument... I am not ever saying it's right to tezt on animals Peace to you both, pixie and Dok
You might have a point if it wasn't for the fact that years of peaceful protest have made very little progress. If you think that this farm would have closed more quickly in the face of peaceful protest, you're living in a dream world. You clearly don't know much about the history of the animal rights movement. Statements such as this are simply factually incorrect. Again, you're simply demonstrating your ignorance. I think you need to educate yourself a little before making such sweeping statements. They don't do much to advance your argument. The animal rights movement a broad and well established community. In all the years that I've spoken to people about these issues, most people have been well aware of that. Just because you have a very narrow and prejudiced understanding of this fact, don't make the mistake of projecting your misconception onto the rest of the country. But they weren't. The animal rights movement didn't start with violence you know. But even if the public were more inclined to listen to an entirely peaceful movement, what difference do you think it would make? Do you think that the pharmaceutical industry is about to change its practices in light of a little public disapproval? I'm sorry, but you really have no idea what you're talking about. You clearly have no familiarity with the history of the animal rights movement in this countrt. You continually make broad, sweeping, unfounded statements that are clearly at odds with the events of the last twenty years. You are not entitled to an opinion: you are entitled to an informed opinion.
If anything pixie, you are far less hippylike mate. Body snatching and intimidating small children is hardly my idea of being peace loving. The fact that you don't respect our views which are different to ours shows you lack the open minded approach commonly associated with hippies. At least let us have a reasoned debate rather than start throwing toys out of prams, etc.
i aint intimidated any children laterly and i aint dug up any bodys either. i dont profess to be a hippie, deffo not if its gonna associate me with most the veiws on this site anyway. and i do respect peoples opinions unless there ignorant uniformed opinions, then i just think bollox, oh is that unhippy like of me, sorry i didnt realise there was any rules to it. sorry i dont fit into your clique. maybe if i beat myself for a bit and think about god somemore i will make a better more honerable hippy. fuckin bollox. and i am peaceful by the way.
cus you are no more informed about the world then any other fucking pleb travlling blindly thru life beliving everything your told
Well maybe that's the problem. Most of the general public don't go out of their way to study the history of animal rights protests. I have also spoken to a lot of people about it. And the same thing comes up :end the violence, it would be better, more support. I've known people say they would support the movement a lot more if it wasn't undermined by violent attacks. Yes it is a broad statement. But from my experiences, whether factually right or wrong, it's what a lot of people think. And as for the pharmaceutical industry, it's not worth protesting to them, you're right. But how about protesting to the government? They can put a ban on things like this, the push for fox hunting bans prove this.
What is wrong with the BBC may I ask? It's fact. In America the news may get away with lying about elections or some rubbish leaned upon by the government. But the BBC is independant. It is indirectly funded by the government, but the government have no control over what it aires. What other news source is as established and fair in this country? Just because you agree with the "hippie" movement or whatever, does not mean you have to hate every corporation that ever existed. BBC is not a corrupt corporation or any rubbish like that. As far as I'm concerned, I trust the BBC. Look at the dispute between them and the government. they are certainly not controlled by anyone, if they were a government controlled media I would not trust them.
No, but most of the public have an awareness of what's happened during the last twenty years. That's certainly not been my experience. And let's face it, it's a pretty shallow show of support if it's based on the actions of a minority rather than the relative moral merits of the argument. It proves no such thing. The hunting fraternity did not enjoy the support of large multinational pharmaceutical companies.
