Yes Jonny. I am reknowned for listening to governments. In fact I live by their every frigging word. When the National Front and Al-Mujihiroun where planning their little debacle in Traffalgar Square WE turned up to kick them both off the streets. What were you doing? Playing internet warrior? http://www.libcom.org/newswire/stories.php?story=04/08/11/6447935 Oh look there's a muslim just walked past my window carrying a bag....best I phone the police. You numpty!
zonk you said that Ive fallen for what the government tells me could you show me where the british government have expressed views like mine ? all I ever read is that islam itself is a religion of peace ... and they seem to be playing down the whole clash of civilizations thing. they would agree with you that the problem is some little fringe group as for what Im doing if you ever meet me offline ask me
Im asking you now. What do you do apart from spread anti-islamic shite about, and spreading fear against an ethnic minority in this country? And stop giving it a load of toss about Islam is full of hate...so are all bloody religions if you scratch through the dirt.
your asking me but as I said ask me offline if you expect a answer and you havnt shown me where the government have expressed views like mine , so how am I following the government ?
No problem. Most of us meet on here eventually. Jonny you are quite happy to see muslim people blasted to pieces across the globe aren't you? Do I really need to go trawling through you're shite biggoted posts?
if I was happy to see muslims be blown up I wouldnt have gone to anti war marches . I would prefer a non violent means of dealing with things . I have mixed feelings there are people I think it might be better to blow up because I think they are very dangerous , I can understand why they believe what they do and I have sympathy for them but still I think it might be better if they were dead . so some muslims yes I would like to blow up but the majority nope
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=369039#post369039 Sounds very much like the rantings of someone who shares a view with the government to me.
wow this is going to get confusing if you bring in old threads but ok as I remember I was asking what people would do if there wasnt a war how they would deal with saddam . and also if you looked at the 2 million I think it was that were killed or claimed to be killed by sanctions if having a war and stopping those deaths at the cost of I think it was 25,000 would it be worth it
It wouldn't be confusing if you remained consistent surely? And it hasn't been only 25,000 killed now has it Jonny..... And you're comparrison between people dying because of our governments sanctions and dying because of our government blowing shit out of them is ......weird. At the end of the day Jonny you support the government and are happy to blow the shit out of muslims. I rest my case.
as I remember I was trying to point out in that thread that the situation wasnt that simple as I understand it sanctions were to stop saddam rearming so would you have got rid of sanctions and allowed saddam to re-arm ? and then left him and his children in power ? how would you have dealt with the situation ? I went to a talk by peter tatchell not long ago and that was one of the things he had noticed that the anti war movement didnt really seem to have a plan to deal with saddam . and you say that its western governments killing all these people in iraq what about the suicide bombers . and zonk you seem to have changed your case at first you accused me of being scared of muslims because of the actions of the government . you need to show that the government have said that islam is of itself dangerous or bad
I am against the war (all wars) but don't consider myself as part of 'the anti-war movement'. Suicide bombers in my opinion are in the least misguided and at worst scum. In our various 'tete a tetes' I have accused you of being a biggot. Whether it is due to your being 'scared' due to the crap that comes from government or because a muslim looked at you in a funny way when you were a kid is really neither here nor there. Either way it comes across as fear and inadequacy fuelled by hate.
Thanks for that.. No i can't get you banned because you have just stated that you are not doing any of the key 'misbehaviours' and don't fall into any of the categorys highlighted in charles clarkes proposals. This was the point of me asking you the questions . No of course i don't think people that question their actions should be brought to account, again i am just parroting the questions in the proposed new legislation .... I am slightly fucked up You will be allowed into Britain no problem at all.
If we're such a bunch of headless chickens, sucking the phallus' of our governmental oppressors, then why would you WANT to come to the uk?
sorry to intrude..but your missing his point and just telling him he hates muslims etc etc with out understanding his position.. I read what both of you said a few times [and throw me in with jonny if you wish] but really stop putting you fingers in you ears and going 'la la la la you hate muslims you do la la la la la'
I understand his position perfectly thanks Matthew http://www.hipforums.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1451452
atypical point: highlighting the depravity Atypical response: http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36550
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