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No. The Queen has little influence on the younger generations of today. She would rally much less support than most other famous people.

I don't know why the haven't removed it. I guess it's to keep those who are still faithful to royalty happy, and it is not a danger, because while the Queen on paper could, she won't.

 

Well withdrawing troops from Iraq... that is a debatable issue. I was completely against the Iraq war, but is happened, and the armies of ours/americas/whoever out there have messed the place up so much, that if we withdraw we leave even more chaos and the country with no leader who realisticly has any control, people fighting for power, it would be like even more fucked up then it is now.

I'm not sure what stance I have on withdrawing troops, all I know is that they should never have gone in in the first place.

 

^Agreed 100%

 

Surely it's not that cut & dry?! I haven't really been keeping up with the situation lately. (whoops. *unburies head)

 

The Spanish response to their bombings that were very similar to London's was to embrace their Islamic community and to grant all those illegal islamic aliens living in Spain residency, and a greater voice. They also REMOVED their troops from Iraq, and that seems at the present time to have afforded the Spanish people much more safety and a lifting of the threat of violence against the public.

appeasement

skip wouldnt having islamic law be better ?
I mean if you read what people like bakri say they say that we are targets because we are not muslims and dont live under sheria .

all spain as done is increased their long term problem by having more muslims in the country , sooner or later a war will kick off when those muslims try to re-conquer spain

in britain the government is still knighting islamists so I have no faith that this law will work

 

I can understand why you might think it thrived because thats the big lie we are all being told, I used to think the same as you .

but I would ask you to read some books on dhimmitude thats the secondclass status of non muslims in islamic states . you have to understand that there are some very rich powerful people that want you to believe that islam during this period was nice and tolerant

Things didnt I imagine improve that much after the re-conquest because you had another stupid religion in charge of things but islamic rule was not that great.

historians for whatever reason seem happy to leave out large parts of islamic history, so you get the crusades as a case of early western imperialism without any mention of the islamic imperialism that went into making the crusades happen in the first place .


The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude : Seventh-Twentieth Century by bat ye"or

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...002-1422443-5224064?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
shes written some other good books on the subject well worth reading

 

we have millions of muslims living in our lands who see our lands as future islamic lands , if you read what the sort of people who are at present bombing us say they intend blowing us up and fighting jihad until we all become muslim .


so even if we withdraw from what you call islamic land we will still have a massive problem

 

Wibble wibble.

 

yep it does go back to the romans and others.

but what Im saying is when the crusades are talked about or when islamic spain is talked about for some reason we seem to get history from one side .

before the crusades you had jihad much of the countrys that islam expanded into were christian because that was the older religion so christians were being attacked for a hell of a long time before they started defensive wars we now know as the crusades .

with spain Im not sure why you only get this golden age of islam being really tolerant being talked about.

but there is another history the history of oppression of religous minoritys, yes you had some cases of prominant jews or christians doing ok at certain times but generally over most of the time muslims were in charge there was lots of oppression .

you had oppression of muslims to after the re-conquest by the catholic church but that part of history is talked about

I think the cause why we get this false picture is partly oil money, partly politics, partly the general hatred of things western and some sort of guilt trip that all adds up to the present situation

 

Jonny2mad is one of these terrified people who has played into our governments fear mongering crap about a battle of civilisations.

Just as there used to be the fear of 'reds under the beds' it's now 'muslims under the mantlepiece'.

Shame on you Jonny.

 

On the surface at least, we leave in a secular rule (Thank fuck), but last time I checked, modern Christians weren't putting out too many Fatwa's on people for speaking out of line. "Citizens/subjects" of Islamic nations have far less freedom of speech and thought than we enjoy.
As for letting muslims police themselves, we DO in this country. They make a right hash of it though, due to the fact that we live in a virtual self-imposed apartheid, with muslim "colonys" set up in major citys and little mixing between the two peoples.
As a result, these muslim communitys are quite tight-knit, and if anyone speaks out against a fellow muslim for raining down jihad, they become ostricised by a large proportion of their neighbours. I actually thought that David Blunkett's plans for better intergration of immigrants into the uk was a damn good idea, but nope, the ever reactionary far-left liberals declared it fascist and tore Blunkett down, when in fact it might have avoided so many of the problems we're facing today, and made this country a better place for all creeds.

 

zonk

Ive been interested in and actively against islam for a long time much longer than the war on terror, and the government tells me that islam is a religion of peace and that I have nothing to fear from it .

its you who seem to be falling for what the government tell you your the sheep .

 

That's a very Western point of view. It's a little different if you live in other parts of the world...

Mind you, America's not much better....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/abortviolence/timeline.htm