New Egyptian constitution may seek to ban all religious parties from politics

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Why you always talk in such generalities when proclaiming such specific (and arguably, but you make it sound, important) warnings? Probably because they are bogus.

edit: and instead of talking about dictators and sharia I might be subjected to (according to only you happily) or your tax dollars why not keep it about Egypt and their situation only? Thanks in advance! I am aware you only went further off topic because of my reactions to you so for that I apologize. Give it a try!

 

That's exactly what they believe.
And it's not like they just do this *with my tax dollars* to other nations and cultures.

They do it to their own citizens. They take their *tax dollar hypocrisy* to all kinds of stupid levels. Some examples include :

• Instead of school breakfest progams so that the young can concentrate in class they build prisons for the day those children become illiterate criminals.

• Instead of subsidizing farmers that grow healthy food, they give fast food giants like McDonalds tax breaks.

• Instead of supporting public broadcast television that teaches and informs the public, they sponsor Hollywood war themed films.

All of which comes down to that the *Not with my tax dollars camp* would rather put a gun in some young man's hand or a cheese burger in some obeese slob's gut.... Rather than fill a struggling mother's fridge with good vegetables or provide her with affordable daycare so she can work instead of having to resort to such things as escorting, etc.

 

I would probably thumbed that post up if it was in a fitting thread instead of one about Egypt politics. Yes, like I stated I am guilty of going offtopic too

 

How about we just blame Canada?

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They walk among us....

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I think if there no place for religion in politics, than the government should get the fuck out of schools and healthcare. As people like you demand that religious kids don't pray in a government school, or respect certain religious views. We're supposed to have religious freedom, and we don't even have that.

If you want to seperate government and politics, stop supporting practices that force them to disobey their God/Morality. This is just a step for population control, not for "womens health," or anything else for that matter. This is the governments way of telling Christians they MUST obey with the New World Terms. That's going in thed opposite direction. We are losing religous freedom over 'political correctness.'

 

Freedom of religion does not mean one gets to shove his religious morals down the throats of others. Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, which is precisely why separation of church and state is constitutional.

 

But it also doesn't give you the Right to shove secular immorality down their throats. You're forcing catholics/christians to pay for abortions/contraceptives, when they don't believe in it. That's not right either! If a women wants a free abortion, she shouldn't be working at a Catholic Church. Furthermore, if my child wanted to bow down and pray to God,Jesus, Buddha or Allah- in a free country, one should be able to do that. I'm not religious. I don't see religion being shoved down anyone's throat, except from crazy christians. However, Government is shoved down EVERYONE's throat, and you MUST obey their absurd "laws."

 

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But certainly appears to mean that one gets to shove their politics down the throats of others, including the relgious.
How about this for a deal?

Get your politics out of my religion and I'll be happy to keep my religion out of your politics.
Which means things such as:

• I can travel anywhere I want without a passport, identity card, etc. Because after all, Allah/God(swt) didn't create border check points.

• I don't have to pay taxes as long as I don't take or use the services of the state Consequently by not paying taxes I won't be supporting the state run war machine.

• When I have children I won't be required to get birth certificates and I can have them educated according to my faith not the official government dogma

• Let us worry about our own marriages and divorces.

In short leave us alone and we will leave you alone.

But oh no... the "state-ists" want to devide the world up into sections and play overlords of everyone trapped inside those boundries.

 

Religion was quite happy to join the polititians & the warlords at the trough for power,wealth,self interest & persicution right down the ages. It,they,had & have more blood on their hands than any power in the present. I don't see the hand of God in any of the conflicts in the world,just human nature.

You want to educate your kids in your faith? Howabout giving them the freedom to choose their own? Get religion out of politics,its parasitical & has no place but among those who choose to persue it.

 

You can't have it both ways. Not every christian has blood on their hands, and they don't believe in it. It's against their religion! Idc if my kids chose whatever religion; I said, I'm not religious. But just because YOU'RE offended by religions, doesn't mean you can FORCE them to do something they don't believe in!!

For example, I'm all for gays being allowed to marry- I don't think the government should be involved.

You're taking it to a whole new level though, and saying we gotta FORCE churches to marry gays. I'm not down with government force, as it's taking others freedoms.

 

Suisse has recently prohibitied minarets and mosks. Good idea. Live and let live. Get the message?

 

Well, what you said in this post kinda gets at what I've been thinking when I (quickly) look at this thread (so maybe it was spelled out and I just didn't see it...?). But anyways, I'm just wondering is the idea behind this ban to ban a religious party from directly having control over the country (Egypt or any other country if this is being also talked about under more general terms)- pretty much like the religious party BEING in charge... OR, would this become more broad and say that a person cannot be in charge if they are a member of a certain religious group, even if the religious beliefs/party affiliation would be kept separate and out of the political realm? (if you get what I'm saying here..)

 

When some scum politician waves his nation's flag and convinces dummies to go off to murder, rape, destroy, etc.

Well that's considered somehow acceptable
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But when the same scum politician waves a holy text and convinces dummies to go murder, rape, destroy, etc

Well that's considered the fault of religion.
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What get's me is that in both situations we have a con artist who's only real skill is his mouth and a bunch of dummies that want to hear some sort of justification why they need to go commit murder, rape, etc.

What's more is other than using a handful of misquoted religious references taken out of context in order to justify their "cause"... Said political leader has probably never even so much as taken a week out of their life to actually research the faith their abusing. Which remarkably is same ignorance of faith problem the dummies have that listen to him.

Every politician in the world wants a society full of godless dummies that will hand over their hard earned money in the form of taxes, go murder for them and die asking for nothing in return.

All governments hate religion because religion tries to address the problem of inequality of wealth, war and freedom. Personally I'll give money to my local mosque, the beggar on the street, the woman's shelter, etc. Before I'll give up 1p that I'm not forced to the British Parliament.

I'm Muslim and I would rather listen to a Jewish Rabbi, Buddhist monk or even a witch doctor instead of the pratts in parliament.

 

I don't think that's concerning, I think that's a good thing. The violence is always concerning but let's be frank, members of that brotherhood have been reported to have thrown just as many first stones as the other side has so it's almost impossible to tell who started the violence in the current conflict.

Egypt has just got to play out, and as for the USA, well they're in a bit of a bind because they spent a lot of political capital and support backing Morsi, (I'm probably spelling his name wrong) in an attempt to get that region stable ASAP.

 

This is unrealistic, politics is everywhere, it's simply a word to define the very human aspect of allocating limited resources across all the nations and Earths inhabitants.

You can't end politics, because that word itself is describing the social interaction between human beings whether in government, in the work place, or just socializing.

Now GREED and EGO that are IN politics, because political jobs attract people that get off on the power of those jobs is a problem. That's where the corruption happens, but originally public service in politics is very honorable, it's just been poisoned by sin at the present time.

Not all arab people are religious bigots or are anti-american. It's important to remember that part of the reason the Arab spring even happened was because it's populace was HIGHLY educated, some even getting that education in the USA.

That means they understood the Enlightenment principles, free speech, freedom of religion, and all of that and then compared and contrasted that with what rights they had under Mubarak, and rebelled.

Also a lot of these same people clashed with fellow rebels who were arguing over what type of government should replace Mubarak, and NOW you have this conflict over moderates who want separation between Church and State (like the USA does) and the ones who want the religious influenced government like the Muslim Brotherhood.

So don't go making general statements that all Arabs are bad; some rather like USA ideals and freedoms; hence why we have the crisis in Egypt now.

 

Nothing to really even add to this post .... just wanna comment that it is 100% accurate.
The whole separation of church and state things go BOTH WAYS. You cannot force religion down anyone's throat and you cannot force churches to do things that go against what the church believes... there are plenty of other places, other than churches, for those things(ex-preforming same sex marriage ceremonies.. like stp, I am for people being able to marry who they chose, but I am also for individual churches- or other religious institutions... to be able to chose who they marry in their facility)..

 

Philosophy = Tries to use the human perspective in order to understand reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.

Religion = Tries to address the human condition by understanding the cause, nature, and purpose of creation

Politics = Tries to hard to not understand anything that doesn't ultimately lead to making money and exploiting the ignorant masses to do what you want.

There's nothing honorable in politics.

 

Actually your third point about public broadcast television is wrong.
It's highly supported in schools and what's done in Hollywood and on cable TV in the USA, is a product of supply and demand by the general public because they find it entertaining, are living vicariously through celebrities, or just want to laugh at people's failure and drama so they feel better about their own personal situation.


However, there are shows on PBS like Downton Abby, Bill Nye the Science Guy, Arthur, Caillou, and other kids shows that are very family friendly, and very much appreciated by parents. So your wrong on that point.

On your other two bullet points, I'll agree that yes, the USA doesn't nearly subsidize the healthy food it needs to, and that's partly due to the fact that healthy food doesn't have a great shelf-life in the USA, as opposed to processed foods. So your causation is slightly biased about this situation but your not wrong persay.

So please understand the context of why these things are happening, which are government 100% influence, and which trends are occurring because of a mixture of what the public wants, the private sector supports, and just the logistics of things.