Netanyahu Goes To War With The World

If I had such things and they were stolen from me I would leave and go elsewhere. There is no point in fighting a losing battle and raising children to be suicide bombers.

 

Well then, if I see you on the street, I will take your clothes and your shoes if you have them, knowing that you will simply go elsewhere in hopes that there are not more like me where you go.

 

I would not expect anything less from you since you seem to believe might makes right and peace is for losers.

 

Nice attempt to turn things around. My obviously hypothetical scenario was to show you that, having nothing to lose, you are in no position to judge the Palestinians' response to land theft and home demolitions. I was challenging your philosophy of acquiescing to anyone who pulls something from your hand and claims it for their own.

The reality is that it is Israel that believes that might makes right. And you never did explain how the 134 counties who recognize the Palestinian State would convince Israel to stop the land theft without using force.

 

I am not judging them. There is a difference between a judgment and an assessment. If someone points a gun at my head and then tells me they love me it's simple enough to assess that their words and actions don't match.

If every Muslim in the middle east says the Palestinians are their brothers, but then refuse to take them in and only supply them with weapons I would assess they are actually saying they hate the Israelis. If 134 countries complain that Israeli occupation is illegal, but refuses to do a damned thing I would not take their criticism to mean they support the rule of law. Especially in politics, don't listen to what people say so much as you watch what they do and Muslims using mustard gas on each other, attempting genocide on each other, and blowing themselves up in the name of justice is just more of the same old same old might makes right as far as I'm concerned. I want nothing to do with either side not because I judge either side, but assess them as nobody I want anything to do with any more than I want anything to do with crack dealers fighting turf wars. I really couldn't care less which ones were there first or any of the sordid details about who they consider to be the worst among them.

 

lol

 

You are under the mistaken impression that Gazans can just walk on out of Gaza. But in reality, that's not how things work.

I asked you what you expect the 134 counties to do to convince Israel to stop stealing Palestinian land and demolishing their homes without resorting to violence. Well . . . ?

You've already condemned the actions of the Palestinians who are exercising their right to resist the occupation, stating that violence is not the answer. I have yet to hear you condemn Israel for their building of illegal settlements on Palestinian territory. You say you want nothing to do with either side for the same reason you don't want anything to do with crack dealers fighting turf wars. But here you are assessing the Palestinians' response to occupation and land theft as inappropriate because it's out of line with Gandhi's methods.

So now that we understand each other, I'll get back to the issue, and see if anyone can refute the facts on the ground.

 

Hamas was democratically elected in 2006. Vanity Fair reported that it has “obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the US and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams to provoke a Palestinian civil war.” The magazine adds that the plan “was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically-elected Hamas-led government from power.”

But the secret plan backfired, resulting in a further setback for American foreign policy under Bush. Instead of driving its enemies out of power, the U.S.-backed Fatah fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to seize total control of Gaza.

http://www.vanityfai...8/04/gaza200804
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But we should get back to the issue of Israel's theft of Palestinian land. I think this is where we left off:

But as far as the root cause of the conflict, I think it can be best explained by Ben-Gurion when he told Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress:

If I was an Arab leader, I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"

Source: Nahum Goldmann, The Jewish Paradox, trans. Steve Cox (Grosset and Dunlap, 1978), p. 99.

Ze'ev Jabotinsky, the founding father of the Israeli right, made essentially the same point when he wrote: "Colonization is self-explanatory and what it implies is fully understood by every sensible Jew and Arab. There can only be one purpose in colonization. For the country's Arabs that purpose is essentially unacceptable. This is a natural reaction and nothing will change it."

Source: Quoted in Ian Lustick, "To Build and To Be Built By: Israel and the Hidden Logic of the Iron Wall," Israel Studies, Vol. 1, No. 1 (Spring 1996), p. 200.
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They didn't deny the theft. They just honestly believed that they could use the Bible as a form of land deed, and that that land deed trumped even justice and morality.