Netanyahu Goes To War With The World

There will never be a two-state solution, as the Palestinians will never accept any deal offered to them by Israel. Past Israeli governments have already offered deals that were beyond generous, and every single one of those was denied... often with an outbreak of violence thrown in for kicks. Israel has a legitimate historic right to Judea and Samaria and is justified in its settlement building in the face of a vile, violent, and uncooperative enemy.

 

Palestine was an officially existing geographic location before the formation of Israel in 1946.
In fact, it was there for at least a couple thousand years.

If anyone needs to be put in check, it's Israel who's illegally grabbing more and more land all the time.
That's like a friend giving you $100, but you keep coming back and sneaking $5 here and there... and when they complain, you punch them for questioning your authority.

 

Explain.

 

There are no stolen land but some people like to state there is. During ww2 palestians Muslims (Muslim brotherhood) sided with Hitler... approved gas chambers and extermination of Jews throughout ww2.

The Brotherhood membership increased from approx 1000 members to over 200,000 from 1936 to 1938. They campaigned against the Jews. This campaigned, initiated by the grand mufti of Jerusalem, haj muhammed amin al-hussieni, against the Jews and established the Brotherhood as a mass movement of Islamic Jihadists. This set off set off a rebellion in Palestine directly against Jewish immigration from Europe and Russia. And Jews already living in the area. The Muslim brotherhood was something that Hitler's also helped fund financially.

in 1941, al-hussieni, While in Berlin he was taken with Hitler, the nazi party and the plan to exterminate Jews. visited consentration camps approving of the torture and extermination of Jews. He lived in Berlin from 1941 to 1945, and recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SSin Europe. Husseini was extremely close with Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Eichmann as well as Hitler.

I could go into more details, and probably will, but the bottom line is that he was sought after for war crimes after ww2 but Egypt offered him a safe haven and he never faced punishment. When you lose a war lands change hand and this land being given to Jewish people, was approved of by the United Nations in their land partition in 1948.

 

Sure. Why don't you define Israel's border for us. Whatever was given to the Jewish people, they have no right to continual land theft to this day. The rest of the world understands that. Even Israel's staunchest ally understands that Israel's building of settlements on Palestinian territory is wrong.

You mentioned that the land that was given to the Jewish people was approved of by the United Nations in their land partition in 1948. So now that you're referring to the UN to validate your claim, I'll use the same UN to validate the claim that the settlements are in contravention of International law.

 

Ok so now we get into another war, the 6 day war, in which the neighboring states of Egypt (the United Arab Republic) Jordan, and Syria attacked Israel.

1967.

Egypt mobilized troops all along the Sinai peninsula and the garza strip along the Israeli borders. In retaliation Israel attacked Egyptian airfield and immobilized them while at the same time launched a ground offensive into garza and the Sinai peninsula driving the Arabs back, Egyptian leader Nasser ordered the evacuation of gaza and the Sinai peninsula.

Nasser then ordered Syria and Jordan to attack, Israeli fought back and drove them back taking part of Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from Jordan and taking the Golan heights from Syria.

They tried to attack Israel and lost, border changed and rightfully so imo.

Since 1930s the brotherhood believes and promotes the belief that all the land is theirs and Jews have no right to be in the Middle East and do not recognize Israel.

“Kill the Jews wherever you find them, this is pleasing to Allah.”

- Mohammad Amin Al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem

 

Fighting off everyone else in the middle east. Everyone keeps arguing the law when the simple fact is might makes right in that part of the world and most of the world today. One third of the continental US belonged to Mexico before we stole it, but nobody is foolish enough to demand we give it back. Hell, the Spanish stole it from the natives as did the Polynesians.

The UN protesting Israel is merely their way of complaining that the US should do something about the situation because the UN itself can't do squat and is still struggling to find a reason for their existence. Again, the US is paying half the bills for the UN and NATO as well and if their protests cause too much trouble we shall simply stop paying the bills and watch them fight even more among themselves. The same is true for both Israel and the Palestinians, if they cause too much trouble and don't at least attempt to appease their critics and try to get along we will abandon them to the wolves. Israel tried, the Palestinians tried, but the two are like oil and water and after all this time the US public is prepared to just let Israel take over the heights and listen to all the complaints which will eventually die down.

The only reason either still exists is because it is politically expedient for the US and allows us better control of the territory which, even without the oil, is important for shipping and other purposes. There is no way in hell the US will let any tiny country disrupt international business or some insane dictator like Saddam Hussein attempt to gain better control over the territory. The Palestinians firing rockets into Israel has only hurt their cause and no matter what the UN says the law is meaningless without the guns to back it up. Something the American public itself is only now beginning to realize after they sold their birthright to oligopolies and went down without a fight.

 

You've avoided the questions.

Define Israel's borders today. Apparently they change with every new illegal settlement. Whatever was given to the Jewish people, they have no right to continual land theft to this day. The rest of the world understands this. Even Israel's staunchest ally (the U.S.) understands that Israel's building of settlements on Palestinian territory must stop.

And you mentioned that the land that was given to the Jewish people was approved of by the United Nations in their land partition in 1948. So now that you're referring to the UN to validate your claim, I'll use the same UN authority to validate the claim that the settlements are in contravention of International law. But now that the UN is inconvenient to your position, I'm sure you're going to condemn it as irrelevant.

 

Fighting off who?

No one is foolish enough to demand we give part of the U.S. back to Mexico. A little late for that. But that analogy is weak, as the Israeli theft of Palestinian territory is happening now. No one denies that. Basically, the whole world acknowledges that.

 

Are you saying that Jews are not allowed to settle in so called Islamic land? Are all other religious faiths not allowed? Maybe isreal should kick out all Islamic and Christian people from isreal?

I guess you fail to comprehend that after wars or an attack borders change which happened when egypt, Jordan and Syria tried to attack isreal.

Anyhow, here is a map so you understand the loss of land that happened due to the attack in 1967.

I am not avoiding the question at all. As I said in my original post there is more to it and I had more to say... and I said wars happen and borders change. They lost the land in a war they started.

http://m.imgur.com/FxjsAOC

 

The analogy isn't weak, the US could have the whole hillside permanently occupied by UN soldiers if we wanted, but its pointless. The Palestinians have made it abundantly clear they exist only to destroy Israel and will never make good neighbors even if they were allowed to move into the territory. Like Mexico and the US, they have become the ghetto of Israel where people go to get cheap labor and illegal goods and that dysfunctional relationship is never going to change anytime in the foreseeable future. Israel has waited fifty years to occupy that territory and they can wait another hundred if necessary, but they are going to keep pushing the issue that somebody has to occupy it and the UN can complain all they want, but it is merely the sound and the fury signifying nothing.

 

Who were the Palestinians fighting off?

You are not addressing the fact that Israel is stealing Palestinian territory NOW. How do you feel about land theft? You are going to tell me that it's more complicated than that. But you are only fooling yourself. Theft is theft.

Again, in what world is the occupied people responsible for the security of the occupiers who continue to steal land from them? Occupied people have a right to resist their occupation. When they exercise their right to resist, you use that as a reason to say they want to destroy Israel. Here is a good documentary that will explain how that kind of reasoning is self-serving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSXFNSvInIE

 

Yeah, and the Geneva Convention has something to say about an occupying force transferring its population to occupied territory, doesn't it?

 

Do you really believe that if isreal gave back the land they acquired after being attacked and use for defence that it would stop the attack on jewish people by Islamic countries surrounding them? Have you looked at maps? Do you realize how small this land is?

They are rightfully there. Military action and occupations are legal only if they are for self-defense ( which it is, especially when these areas attacked isreal) or to directly benefit the native population. That is according to the geneva convention.

 

Actually, 134 countries recognize the State of Palestine, and an equal number maintain diplomatic relations with the Palestinians. So it appears that in this case, the UN represents the world. Yeah, we could stop funding "this particular farce," or we could stop funding Israel's flagrant violation of International law. Sometimes that has an effect on violators.

 

Even during peace talks, Israel continues with the illegal settlements. And when did I say Israel has to give back the land it has built illegal settlements on? They need to stop building illegal settlements as per the Geneva Convention. They're not using the stolen land to keep the peace. They're transferring their population to the stolen land. The whole world sees it that way.

And even the Israeli spokesman has admitted that Israel broke a ceasefire with Hamas in the past. I believe that that speaks for itself concerning Israel's desire for peace.

 

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Again to repeat since you clearly do not read,
They are rightfully there. Military action and occupations are legal only if they are for self-defense ( which it is, especially when these areas attacked isreal) or to directly benefit the native population. That is according to the geneva convention.

1st, clearly the whole world does not see it this way, if they did there would be no dispute. Or do you mean the whole world excluding Jews, wasps, heretics, and/or anyone who does not agree with you?

2nd, what is this illegal settlement you speak of! ? To reiterate: They are rightfully there. Military action and occupations are legal only if they are for self-defense ( which it is, especially when these areas attacked isreal) or to directly benefit the native population. That is according to the geneva convention

3rd, during the peace talks in 2014 isreal left the table in Cairo when it was made clear there would me no negotiating .. only demands from Hamas and threats if isreal did not comply... when they walked away Hamas fired over 50 rockets on tel aviv and Jerusalem from Gaza at which point isreal resumed air strikes. So who exactly broke the ceasefire? Is a country suppose to sit there and be fired on without a military response?

 

The Israelis are there as a result of one man basically giving another man another man's home. They are there as a result of an antiquated exercise of old colonialism. And you are ignoring the fact that defending an area does not include building illegal settlements on Palestinian territory and transferring your population to those settlements. THAT'S what the Geneva Convention says about that.

And clearly the whole world does recognize the illegal settlements as illegal because the illegal settlements I speak of are the same illegal settlements that the UN Security Counsel just voted against. What does that tell you?

And I'll ask again: In what world is an occupied people responsible for the safety and security of the occupiers? Did you know that an occupied people have a right to resist the occupation? And did you know that, according to the Geneva Convention, cannot transfer its population to occupied territory and call it self defense? Of course you do; I've pointed it out to you in no uncertain terms. And you have offered nothing to refute that fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILJxPTqjAM

If you care to see the real character of the occupying force, look into the Operation Agatha affair.

 

I will not do your homework for you.

 

Do you really believe yourself? Israels military actions and occupations have all been for self defense only? The land is rightfully recreated there after WW2...? Do you really think so? I used to too. But I figured out years ago (because it is really obvious when you look objectively at the situation before and after and the motive for recreating an Israel there again) that despite the good intentions it worked out quite unfortunate. Not just because the UN or the neighbouring states, but because of Israels own policies.
But even if Israel didn't had any part in occupying Palestine territories and making life for palestines impossbile it would still be naive to think the international community (well only a part of it ) can recreate a country that may have been there like 2000 years ago and act like that is a historic right and good reason to do it, without getting any trouble or concern from the countries and people already in the area.

 

watched your video, he denied it. Lol. He admitted nothing and for the reporter to say there was no missiles launched at isreal in 4 months is a lie, there were a lot less but there were still rockets launched...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-hamas-agree-to-72-hour-humanitarian-cease-fire/2014/08/01/059f1ff8-194e-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html?utm_term=.5d8df4166cc4

Yes I believe their actions have been for defence purposes.. look at a fucking map... look at the size of isreal.... look at the mass of Islamic countries surrounding them ... apparently it is not enough... the mentality of Hamas is that there is no Jewish state in the Middle East and the only good Jew is a dead Jew.

Perhaps you two need to hold hands along the Gaza Strip.

 

The size doesn't matter shit.