Nelson Mandela: A mass murderer and terrorist

Exactly the point.

But, he did stay in power, in his own country (within its traditional boundaries). That makes it a different situation from South Africa.

 

Oh yeah.

 

Because he didn't slaughter groups of innocent and defensless civillians. Isn't that obvious.?

Unless you can show me something that says otherwise, Washington fought against armies. As far as I'm aware, he never had randomly blew up the general population in order to send a message to any other government.

 

Yup. I thought that was pretty obvious.

 

The civilians were his fellow citizens. Why would he blow them up? What would be the record of the red coats relative to the treatment of would-be freedom fighters? I don't know--just wondering.

 

And this is why I do not idolize anyone.

If your goal is peace you need to empathize with both sides, and let there be peace. Finger pointing won't get anyone anywhere now.

 

Neither do I. Especially these "saviors" who are more or less given to the masses to worship without even knowing their full background.

 

I understand where you're coming from. So you would prefer people make informed judgement versus just reading some meme online about how he was a peace king or something.

 

Yeah, but it's just not online, but all over the place... TV, magazines, newspapers. Hell, they've even got the flags in this country at half-mast for Mandela. Everywhere this guy is being praised as a saint, then when you go against that by having an opinion that is based in fact -- not bigotry or hatred -- people get angry and think there is something wrong with you. To me it shows the lack of critical thinking skills in so many people. People like to mindlessly get behind other people basically because that is what they're told to do and it makes them feel good. I am not one of those people.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDgZvhT9Nj8"]A Song For Cape Town - YouTube
during apartheid, this video wouldnt even exist.. Just look how peaceful the background is.

 

You are always so eager to judge the people that piss you off, Rat... It could be that at least half of that people that got angry about it since he died might simply be pissed because you choose the wrong moment to confront them with it. I can imagine it could also be the attitude with how you bring it sometimes... But no it unquestionably has to be their critical thinking skills.

 

There is no right or wrong moment. And I didn't confront anyone with anything. I simply stated an opinion, which I have the right to do.

 

Well I don't think people are calling you a bigot or a hater. But I do think you speak passionately about things you're interested in. It seems you appreciate detail, minutia and give all thats in-between a lot of consideration. With that said, if you want people to follow you or beliefs you will need to appeal to them somehow. Usually, coming out guns blazing isn't the best way to do so but hey it works sometimes. Speak how you want to, I'm just giving advice on how to get more listeners and subscribers.

 

I am not trying to get more listeners and subscribers. But thanks.

 

That's funny, Just got done reading where he is on the US terrorist watch list along with hearing it on the news. Glad you did you're homework.

 

Well then what's the point of this thread?

 

some shit on the huff about Cheney

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...rrorist_n_4394071.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

 

You confront people with a for them controversial opinion at a moment when they are less likeable to be in a critical mood. Which is fairly normal when someone just died and they are mourning him (righteously or not). Surely you see there are moments that are better than other to share such an opinion. I'm not saying you can't do it or something, just if you look at it pragmatic there are better moments if you want a thought out critical response. Unless you're in it to provoke perhaps or like to get your misantropic worldview confirmed, then there isn't a much better moment than share it just after a person died

 

His name was removed from the list in 2008.

The timing must be coincidence