Natural human diet.

http://rawfood.meetup.com/355/boards/thread/4300223

but once again

can you bite into a living cow? if notr it is not your natural food

prove you can eat a livinbg cow and then and only then can u prove its natural to eat

 

I can't bite into a coconut either

 

What?? That makes no sense. Every animal that eats large prey has to kill it before it can be eaten--what kind of creature would just stand there and let another animal eat it? And you CAN eat raw meat, there are raw foodists that are omnivorous. I personally am not that into it, but if I was starving I could. And I have tried goat's blood, after it was freshly slaughtered. Not really my thing, personally, but the Masaai people of East Africa eat cow's blood (while the cow is still alive) all the time, and they're famous for being able to run day and night for days on end to find water.

 

yes but every animal that naturaly eats meet has the teeth and claws needed to kill the meat with teeth and claws
as in bite into a living creature and kill it with theyre teeth

we cant
we never were meant to

 

Soaringeagle I was hoping for a little intelligent info to discuss…
Ancient vegetarian societies in India..? Vegetarian Darwin theories..?

You are just pulling up the basic qwack pot vegetarian propaganda.

My anthropology is poor I was hoping you vegetarian guys would educate me a little.

For at least 50,000–40,000 years people have been using tools and fishing hunting ect, until 100 years ago 99.5% of cultures ate meat. With the age of gas, combustible engines and globalization a consumer fad of vegetarianism has emerged.
So for at least 40,000 years people have been eating meat and then for 100 years a small percentage of the human race goes vegetarian. So how is it we are not developed for meat?

Even monkeys eat bugs. Only in highly devolved societies with rich leisure classes have people devolved such a picky attitude as to only eat “pure” food. When people are barily surving they don’t give a fuck about organic food or vegan they are just great full to survive and eat… I highly doubt that cave men were vegans.

 

Oh yes, the old "Hey, we don't have fangs??" argument. Of course we don't have giant fangs for killing prey. We're not carnivores--we're omnivores. There is a significant difference. Omnivores will eat almost anything. Of couse over time, humans have developed cultures which dictate what we eat, but in our original state, humans would hunt and gather what we could. We do have canine teeth, they are just smaller than an actual carnivore's teeth because we fall somewhere in the middle (we don't have the same teeth/digestive tract as a cow either).

And saying that because we can't kill it with our own body means we shouldn't eat it is ignoring the purpose of evolution--what about otters?? Otter's don't have the strength to break open the shells of the shellfish they eat, so they use rocks to assist them. Is the otter being unnatural? And what about chicken? People all over the world to this day kill chickens (not to mention guinea pigs and other small animals) with their bare hands, so I guess meat eating is more "natural" than you'd care to admit.

 

To say that the first to eat meat must've been facing starvation also indicates that they must've done it by hand or with blunt objects found lying around. If they had never hunted before they wouldn't have had tools to do so and only through trial and error did they perfect those tools. Those facing starvation don't have time for trial and error. They have time to kill and clean.

Furthermore, Soaring Eagle stated that after two years the bacterium start to die off and your body is no longer accustomed to them. It's those bacterium that leave you with a fever and sickness. And the fact that you diminished your body's tolerance to that bacteria does not dictate that we weren't created with the ability to handle it.

Stop walking for two years and tell me how you feel trying to walk afterwards. Does your body's inability to walk after two years of sitting mean that walking is also unnatural?

 

then please explain how they hunted and ate meat with no rools and no fire
meat was not edible untill cooked
we didnt have fire always did we?
its true meat consumption does go way way back pre history however it doesnt go back further then fire and tools
in itdss natural state...raw..meat eatting would not be possible with thre exception perhaps of bugs
but even today when bugs are eatten most are cooked

its been a long time since i read any antropology books as well but what i remember was that before fire was discovered we were gatherers..fruits nuts berries mostly
fire came along alowing cooking which made some roots and meats edible...(cooking robbing the veggies of nutrients required more veggies to supliment then was easily found spawning the agricultureal revolution and the birth of farming
domestication came far after

huge huge mistaske there since now we funnel masssive ammounts of our natuyral foods into feedinbg animals just to then kill and eat them..

lets examine this on a pure nutriutional level

to keep 1 cow alive 1 year the same nutrients would keep 10 people alive for 1 year
(or more dont have actual statistics but they are out there)

every nutrient we get from an animal source came from a vegatable spource that animal consumed
but so much is wasted in the process

starvation...hunger..only exists becaiuse the meat industry wasts so many tons of food feeding anmimals instead of people directly

humans arent really overpopulated we are just stupid and greedy

we can sustain ourseles on tyhe land we have if we used it properly
to grow food for us..not to feed animals

we cannot sustain ourselves much longer on slaughter...but if we were just globlky about 85% veggie we could doubl or tripple the popultion without hunger

the facts that its natural to us biologicaly are undenyable since we cannot kill prey with bare hands and teeth..a requirement to be a predator
a natural predator

but the proof goes far beyond history and biology

do you have a pet?
do you look at your pet and salivate? do you have the urge to eat it?
if meat eatting was natureal your instincts would be to bite into your pet nyime you felt hungry

the idea of meat ..eatting a dead animal is only palitable through conditioning..

a few months seperation from that conditioning and a dead animal is just a dead animal..thinking of it as food is neaseauting
because its not natural to us

the industry knows that
why do u think vegatarian diets are demonized by the media?
and meat pushed so hard? dont u think they know that if they dont keep making you believe ui need it your gonna rtealize just how disgusting iut is and wastefull and just plain wrong?

unnatural


pick up your pet
look him in the eye
and bite through its neck
if you can do that..your a natural meat eatter
if you cant..your not
a natural meat eatter wouldnt survive of it couldnt look an animal in the eye and take its life with theyre teeth

 

i've taken a couple anthropology classes... this is how i understand it:

humans are made to digest pretty much anything... we're kinda made to be scavengers. (to soaringeagle, scavengers rarely kill their own food...) The closest animal to us is the chimpanzee and they are omnivorous. Unlike most other animals, our diets can be incredibly broad, and generally the more variety, the better... but people adapt to their environments... which is why we have a lot genetic "diseases" to help make up for overabundance or lack of certain nutrients. It's really fascinating...

adn i always thought this was interesting: gorillas are primarily herbivorous (they also eat some bugs, but that's a very small percentage of their diet) and they have a huge crest at the top of their skull so that their jaw muscles are huge and super powerful to really crunch up the leaves... they also have to eat tons of it... this might have to do with their abilities to digest the plants, i can't remember. anyway, we don't have a crest on our heads

also, there are different theories on where man originated from... there's the "out of africa" theory where we all came from africa, and then there's the theory that humans evolved in many different places (some in africa, some in asia, some in northern europe) because of differences in skeletons and skulls.

i'm sure i could go on... but i'll stop.

 

we can eat raw meat... haven't you ever seen those shows, survivorman and that other one... they eat bugs and raw zebra and shit. and what about sashimi?

 

I'm going to sidestep the "veg-war" going on here because while I respect that some folks strongly believe that humans are not supposed to eat meat I disagree that this is an absolute. Since I cannot cite any source as irrefutable to support my beliefs I wouldn't be so arrogant as to characterize my BELIEFS as FACT. I do believe that, while humans are biologically set up to handle modest amounts of meat, the proportion of meat as well as what is done to it is way out of line in my opinion. As I see it, evidence of this can be seen in the average waist line I see today.

The question of what the exact foods are will probably never be agreed upon- even by two scientists performing some sort of anthropological study of human diet... the best approach is to determine what doesn't belong... there are plenty of substances marketed as food that have no place in any diet. The food industry exists for one purpose only: to make money. Flavors, colors, chemical vitamins, and preservatives added to foods are added to make it more profitable... to reduce loss, to make flavorful, to enhance appearance, to justify a desired level of nutritional labeling.

"What is mankinds natural diet?"
Don't expect definitive answers to the question- but if you make it a habit to ask that question every time you get food (read labels, ingredients lists) your body will thank you by not breaking down prematurely and developing conditions that you'll need the products of pharmaceutical giants to maintain and you'll probably outlive most of your contemporaries.

 

Big fucking rocks and big fucking sticks. Can you snap a rabbits neck with your bare hands? I'm sure a three man tandem could even take out a deer or something similar without manufactured tools.

And as many people have stated, the human body CAN handle raw meat.

 

the human body can handle lots of piosions


that are not natural; or right for it

the human body can handle heroin abuse for years and years

so is that proof heroin abuse is natural to humans?

 

Very nice bit of propaganda shock there ... equating eating meat with abusing heroin. Well done.

 

both being ultimately destructive to the human body and society i figured it would be appropriate

 

Heroin is natural. Bet people who abuse heroin fare far better than those who abuse methamphetamines. Obviously there are a lot of variables to that, but keeping most constant and having the only true variable being the drug of choice, I doubt heroin will damage a person the way meth does.



Edit: And while I can't say heroin abuse is natural to humans, intoxicants are. From the beginning humans were finding ways to get fucked up, and this is prevelant through almost every major society in history.

 

Yes- and in doing so you have essentially equated people who choose to eat meat as heroin addicts. This is disrespectful and does nothing to further your argument. I can make wild analogies myself... like comparing your meat-heroin metaphor to neo-conservatives labeling the anti-war movement as unpatriotic and terroristic. I've lumped you in with an evil political group and attempted to smear your reputation while not doing one thing to support my own argument by citing sources.... I've attempted to blur the topic by dragging in an unrelated issue and associating your rhetoric with a low political tactic. It's junk food for the brain, and as our bodies are stuffed with borderline toxic garbage (in my opinion) we try to force feed the minds of others with rhetorical garbage in order to enlist unreasoning emotional support.

Stick with furnishing evidence to support your dietary beliefs and stop launching veiled attacks on those who believe differently.

 

cooked meat contains carcinogens

meat, grains, dairy all cooked contain opiates

 

Cooking is a form of processing and is unnatural. As a component of an ecosystem, the human being is supposed to serve a function in maintaining a balance but that has perverted by our so-called advances. In general I believe the natural human diet to be mainly vegetarian with only SMALL amounts of uncooked meats and fish. The human body is engineered to travel long distances and only smaller game would fit into that diet wise although the nomadic abilities can be argued as a means of shadowing large herds of animals... but only to scavenge carcasses that have already been killed and picked pretty clean.

All theory though... but food for thought, so to speak.

 

and that though following a herd to pick at rotting carcuses left behind be the diseasd and dying (well odviosly if died theyd be diseased or of old age) that thought of humans as vultures picking at the dead of the herd doesnt turn your stomach?