National Identity Card Scheme

You are a clever person..that can articulate himself very well..this does not make what you say or you any less paranoid...is that better ??

 

I have no idea what you mean by this, I'm simply criticising your rightwing views by means of parody.

 

The Big Brother state was in a fictional book..do you realy need to make yourself fearful about anything and everything (ok most things).

 

Possibly you are suggesting that the belief that identity cards are an invasion of civil liberties is a paranoid one. If so, in what way? Does it not require you to prove your right to be in the UK upon request? Is this not a new phenomenon? Is this not by definition an encroachment of a liberty we once had?

 

With the use of hyperbole i would assume ..... YAWN. My right wing views hahahahahaha give it a rest with that one hahaha it makes me laugh.

 

What exactly were you accusing me of?

Yes, your right wing views. They don't make me laugh.

 

A fictional book based on the reality of the Stalinist state. I'm not saying we'll end up anywhere near that state, but every step towards it is a step away from civil liberties....

 

And before long it'll be back to conscription....


Thank fuck I'll be too old.

 

I would have to go along with the idea that my civil liberties maybe being invaded..this i don't . Like i said you have a multitude of diffrent forms of ID , if anything the new ID card should replace other forms of ID. The goverment can track me with or with out an ID card..and can bundle me away for 24 hours at whim anytime they like. This thought does not keep me awake at night...because if they wanted too they would , so why worry.

It maybe a little stasi police scenarios that i speak of , but what else do i need to be afraid of ???? with having yet ANOTHER form of ID..

 

Personally I think it's another bollocks of a waste of money that does nothing other than....waste money. It also does nothing but....waste money.

Why exactly is it that it is being introduced again?

 

The book was written in 1947 forty years later we were no were near. Another 20 years and we have Big Brother on TV.. i am shaking in my boots.
I realise that books can speak of truths and i am sure the book does .. but it is still only a point of view, and is only taken as seriously as the author himself.

I don't believe we all live within 'The Matrix' do you ??. and this will never happen will it ?? if you think 'yes' i will draft a letter to my MP.

 

These forms of ID are not on a national database, you do not have to produce them upon request. The police require warrants and proper authorisation to invade your privacy. This will all change.

What we are talking about is the potential abuse of this new system as proposed. Like the right to stop and search without reasonable cause on suspicion of being a terrorist. This is a right given to the police in legislation passed following 9/11. It has been used by the police to stop and search people attending anti-arms demonstrations when clearly there is no reasonable suspicion that the person is involved in terrorism. In other words this legislation is an invasion of civil liberties which has been abused by the police. What makes you so trusting that identity cards will not be abused?

 

Sorry i am going to have to skip over most of what you said bacause i don't think in that way .. so am not going to comment . Its just bolstering your POV with minority case scenarios.

The abuse of such cards i can talk about about because this is a more realistic reality.

 

Yeah, you can prove anything with facts, eh Matt?

 

Not sure what you mean..well i have a little idea , but explain please, or don't .

 

well as for me .. I am back out of this country and this kind of thing hastens my departure. Whatever argument you care to come up with a simple fact remains. Freedom and that is one of thge core beliefs that supposdly joins us in this particular place. If it doesn't? .. well you have to ask yourself.



Peace.

 

I gave you a proven example where an encroachment upon civil liberties has been abused by the police. It was introduced for "security" reasons against the threat of "terrorism", but has been adopted by the police as part of their standard set of tools for disrupting lawful protest. This is fact. What makes you think the identity card scheme will not be abused in the same way?

 

best case scenario a few demonstates get a bit miffed ..and not realy friends with authority anyway (so understandable).

worst case people posing as peaceful protestors infiltrate areas were harm to others is a possibility or worse the result is a national tragedy.

 

Right so we assume guilt until proven innocent? How very progressive of you. Fascist.

 

Fascist..it gets better every post.