National Geographic program called Inside 911

Thanks for your efforts in trying to explain things but I’m sorry to say you don’t seem to have cleared anything up.

I asked –

So Lick are you saying the 9/11 Truth Movement is part of a unified political programme not just a one issue lobby group?

And you seemed to have replied that it both is and it isn’t, which is rather confusing

You say - “The movement itself comprises people from a range of political convictions whose common interest is to uphold their Constitutional obligation to hold our government responsible for its abuses of power.”

Which would be a one issue lobby group

But you also say – “the Truth movement views the event of 911 in the fuller context of the ideological agenda”

Ideological agenda, in other words a political philosophy, which seems to imply a unified political ideas or policies. I mean you have said on other occasions that you believe somehow that what you see as the revelations of the 9/11 event would lead to an overthrow of the system, a curtailment of the wealthy elite’s powers and other social changes.

I mean you ask why I – “continually seek to confuse a public effort pertaining to a particular event and the lies surrounding it with a comprehensive manifesto for social change (which would encompass a wider range of socio-economic and institutional issues) is beyond me”

Well the reason is that you seem to have contradictory views on it yourself, which as I’ve said is rather confusing.

Maybe you should think it through a bit more before ‘explaining’ again?

 

As to the rest of your post Lick, it isn’t exactly explanation rather than agreement.

For example I said that you seem to be saying “that change is virtually impossible to achieve”

You reply –

"My point was that whilst I, you and any number of individuals may strive in limited scope to realise some incremental changes in one's immediate environment, overall these changes cannot reform what is inherently, institutionally corrupt. You can't patch a rotten tooth and expect an infection not to spread beneath. Similarly this present order is rooted in elite mechanisms in place for generations to ensure the perpetuation of privilege and power to a select few. Until that system is overturned, no progressive solutions can take root and flourish."

This is just what I said but with dentistry.

Look at it – according to you people would have to work very hard and then they will only then achieve limited changes that only come in small increments in only limited areas, which even if achieved would anyway only be a useless patches.

How is that different from my comment that you tell people that change is virtually impossible to achieve?

 

So Lick

I said you seemed to believe – “that the only way it (change) will ever come is if a possible ‘collapse’ happens and that out of that just maybe there could arise a possible ‘progressive’ system”

You say the system is too rotten to save, that only if the system is overturned can progressive solutions take root and your views on the coming collapse and the suffering it will cause are on record, but you tell me that your views are –

“contrary to your assertion that I have argued some magical progressive movement will arise should the present order be overturned or implode of its own accord. For their to be any true democratically viable future based on transparency and informed consent, people must NOT be apathetic but take seriously the principle of civic duty, else another socially unjust system will readily take hold in its wake."

So how is this different or contrary to what I had said?

It still seem to be more about hope, hope that the wealthy and powerful will not seize control, hope that people will have access to information and education, hope that the people can bring about a socially just system.

You also seem to pin your hope on people learning “the principle of civic duty”, but first up what do you mean by ‘civic duty’, second, where are they supposed to learn it? From this system that you think is so corrupt that it is rotten to the core?

Sorry but it still seems like wishful thinking.

 

So Lick, we come to the one thing you don’t even try to explain.

You tell people that there is no point voting (undisputed)

That change is virtually impossible to achieve, (reaffirmed)

That the only way it will ever come is if a possible ‘collapse’ happens (reaffirmed) and that out of that just maybe there could arise a possible ‘progressive’ system (reaffirmed)

So

Why don’t you think these views just plays right into the hands of the rich elite, who if unopposed can accumulate more wealth and power?

 

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Idiots like you "oppose" them (or think they "oppose" them), when they are more powerful than ever. So what has your dopey movement done to stop them? Has standing in the street with the unwashed masses, holding up signs, acheived anything? Anything at all?

The only thing the Global Elite want is full control over every man, woman and child in the world, which is unabashedly supported by people such as yourself. You have stated on record that you are all for world government and the dissolution of the U.S. Constitution.

How can you say you're any different from George W. Bush? You both share practically the same ideologies when it comes to the future of this planet.