National Geographic program called Inside 911

I can't do everything for you, Rat. At least read some of this material. I'll go dig up some of the pics anyway.

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Ha ha. So there has been no evidence provided WHATSOEVER except for the evidence which has been provided, which you reject. And apparently you can say with a straight face that a passenger jet weighing hundreds of tonnes and travelling at 500 miles an hour before slamming into the building and bursting into a giant fireball would not cause any structural damage. Are you the world´s worst sceptic or what?

 

Southwest corner of WTC7.



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Why should he show you the pictures? You'll reject the conclusion whether or not they are provided.


And you can sneer at the NIST, but you sneer at the press, at engineering colleges, at professional journals, at everything which doesn´t worship the illuminati cult theory. MIT's engineering college is Bush. The media is Bush. Everything is Bush except Bush because he's an illuminati patsy.

 

Now I suppose the picture was doctored.

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I never said "definitely 2005." If I remember correctly, I posted an article regarding Scott Ritter, who claimed we would invade Iran in June, 2005. I am not Scott Ritter.

I never said the stock market would fall in 2005. I said an economic collapse is imminent, as do many economists who aren't regularly featured on CNN and FOX News.

Give me a fucking break! A slight appreciation of the dollar is meaningless when it is already so weak.

GDP does not mean shit when you're talking FAST FOOD jobs.

I can provide you a video clip taken from the same documentary where Silverstein admits the building was "pulled," where we see a demolition crew worker getting ready to bring down the remains of Building 6 say: "We're getting ready to pull Building 6."

Just coincidence, ey?

I am sure there is incriminating evidence in every government building to varying degrees. Does this surprise you? The fact of the matter is that there was incriminating evidence in the building, and what better way than to get rid of this sensitive information than to bring the building down in the wake of the towers collapsing. As it is, most people are hardly even aware of WTC-7 or what it is.

 

East side fires. There was also fires on the southwest side and north side.

 

All I see, Shaggie, is minor damage to the building's exterior. Nothing that would indicate damage to the building's main support collumns.

 

Shaggie - have you even seen the footage of the building's collapse?

 

Madrid, Spain, 2005





This fire raged for nearly two days, yet never collapsed.

Would you like more examples, Shaggie? I can show you several more examples.

 

I mentioned earlier that I watched the WTC7 collapse live (and also on recording).

The high rise in Madrid was steel reinforced concrete, a different type of structure. I would prefer to be in that type of building when it comes to fire protection. Concrete weakens too, but it does so by spalling of layers, one by one. Since concrete columns are usually very wide compared with steel, it takes a long time for concrete to be reduced compared with the bending of a steel column or beams at high temperature, especially if they don't have a good fire protective layer. Concrete also serves as a heat insultor for the steel members. At the opposite end of the spectrum are the unprotected steel trusses of the McCormick building which collapsed within 30 minutes of a fire starting.

The building in Madrid wasn't hit by a jumbo jet and didn't have any columns destroyed by an aircraft.

The WTC7 had a design different than Madrid. It was basically a box within a box structure with steel members that had some fireproofing but not all that great. The steel members in the WTC were sprayed with an inch or two of foam protecting material. I'd much prefer steel encased in concrete like the Madrid building. I'm not sure how the columns were placed in the Madrid building, but I would assume they were placed regularly throughout the floor plans, as opposed to a box within a box design with large areas of floors without columns.

Also, the Madrid building didn't suffer initial damage from a collapse of a quarter mile high tower.

The Madrid building did suffer partial collapses and people did fear that it might collapse globally.

WTC7 was also unusual in that it had three main load transferring trusses on the 5th to 7th floors to carried vertical loads to non-concentric columns due to the presence of an electrical substation in the basement.

In any event, the Madrid case doesn't prove or disprove conspiracy claims about WTC7, although one can learn from it and use it for evaluating how different types of structures can stand up to fires.

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You were willing to bet that the US would invade Syria and Iran, that´s how confident you were.

You said social security was being privatised to support the stock market which was "overvalued by 50%". Now that privatisation is dead in the water, the stock market goes up. Well done, nostradamus. Any there is always some economist predicting doom, it has always been that way. So what? When is imminent? Tomorrow never comes, you know.

In 1988 a dollar got you 125 yen. Today, it is worth 114. Is this supposed to prove the dollar is in freefall?

Did the burgers flip themselves in the 1950s? No, so stop with the meaningless populist rhetoric.

What better way to get rid of secret documents than to fly remote controlled airplanes with fake CIA hijackers on board into a nearby building and then setting off demolition charges so the building collapses for no apparent reason? "What better way" to destroy a piece of paper? Somewhere out there a conspiracy theorist is laughing his ass off that people believe this stuff.

 

OK. So what about....

One Meridian Plaza, Philadelphia, 1991



First Interstate Bank, Los Angeles, California, 1988



The 1 New York Plaza Fire, 1970




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Whether it was in Dec '05, or sometime in '06, it doesn't matter. The fact is that I have been saying that the neocons plan to invade Iran, and that is now more apparent than ever. So obviously I wasn't totally wrong.

Actually, I never said this. You must be thinking of someone else. Seriously.

Perhaps. It used to be a handful of economists, now it's literally dozens saying what I am saying. If people were smart, they'd be investing in gold.

Bottom line: the dollar cannot compete with the Euro. This is why we see so many countries in the process of dropping the dollar altogether, or talking about doing so.

This isn't the 1950's.

No apparent reason? It certainly got Americans behind the war and willing to give up all their rights.

 

Except in Dec '06 you'll have a new excuse for why it didn't happen, just like you do now.

You avoided explaining what imminent means. Some time between now and forever? And are you saying to invest in gold? I need to know so I can short it based on your past track record of predictions.

Bottom line - as in ignore the actual data I provided and stick with rhetoric? You measure the dollar against one other currency over a short historical period and say we're doomed? Why, because looking back through history, it is an unprecendented event for the dollar ever to go down? Is there any logic at all behind this? What is the bottom line? Do currencies "compete"? All the conservatives said that the dollar's appreciation against the Euro at its introduction proves the superiority of American capitalism. Now they're quiet, and you're no different. If the dollar down, the illuminati is destroying America, if it goes up, well, time to change the subject. And what countries are "dropping the dollar altogether"? Ecuador and El Salvador have adopted it as their official currency in recent years.

That is not an answer. And we don´t have a burger flipping economy. Our economy has been outperforming every major economy in the world in recent years.

We're talking about WTC 7 specifically, and your theory that the "best way" to destroy documents is to fly remote controlled airplanes with fake CIA hijackers on board into a nearby building and then set off demolition charges so the building collapses for no apparent reason. Just like if you want to cover up evidence that you are an arsonist, you should burn down your own house. This is the "logic" that only the intellectual elite conspiracy theorists can understand.

 

The economy will collapse and we will see a depression in America that will make the Great Depression look like a walk in the park. It's a matter of when, not if. When I say imminent, I mean within 5-10 years' time, if not sooner. It could even happen tomorrow. It all depends on what transpires in the world over the coming years. Because I know the agenda, I know that the master plan is to bankrupt America, and I see that is where things are headed. I look at China and the way America and its people are being sold out, and things become perfectly clear to me.

Regarding the status of the dollar, I am not measuring the dollar simply on its current status, but based on where I see this country headed over the next several years. As our deficit increases, which it will rapidly continue to do, the worth of the dollar will further decrease. The federal deficit is approaching $500 billion. The trade deficit is approaching $700 billion. We have had to borrow hundreds of billions of dollars from foreigners to finance this debt - primarily Asians. They hold enough of our budget deficit debt to actually exercise power over interest rates and the dollar whenever they see fit.

The trade deficit is being financed by the U.S. turning over assets to these foreign countries, making Americans increasingly poorer from the loss of accumulated wealth.

Can you imagine what would happen if these foreign countries decided to stop funding our debt?

You talk about me spewing rhetoric, but look at some of the disingenuous, half-baked tosh you spew. People are losing jobs left and right in this country because everything manufacturing is being shipped overseas. People are becoming poorer, not richer. We are entering a post-industrial society, and the changes coming to America will be permanent. If you understand how the system is set up, it's not set up to benefit the common man. Over the coming years we with see a lowering of the living standard in this country and a closing of the gap between the rich and poor.

America has been set up to take the big fall, and that is exactly what is happening.

 

Wow, suddenly imminent means a decade. And of course, based on your in depth research "It all depends on what transpires in the world over the coming years". Could you come up with a more open ended and meaningless statement?

That´s the same thing people said about Japan in the 1970s and 80s. How can America survive if they sell us cars and TVs! We´re doomed! The politicians are selling us out! But it is Japan's economy that is still struggling to emerge from a decade long stagnation, not ours. Things are "perfectly clear" to you because you don't look at history.

This is the frustrating thing, because your logic is so muddled and constantly changing. First you say that what you really pay attention to is the devaluation of the dollar, and say its recent appreciation is meaningless because it is "so weak". When i point out it has hardly moved against the yen in the last two decades you say that you aren't measuring its "current status" but are instead looking ahead to America´s economic doom. Its a circular argument which quickly retreats from any quantifiable evidence.

The deficit is expected to fall, and the relationship between the deficit and the dollar is not that simple. Again, you ignore history.

If they want to devalue our dollar, they devalue their debt holdings. Its suicide and makes no sense.

This is the infamous "exporting = winning, importing = losing" myth. It has never been true. Japan and Germany, which have long had trade surpluses, have performed dismally over the last 10 years. They are not getting rich from their surpluses. You also seem to think that economies can only accumulate wealth by exporting more than they import, which is utterly false. Economies can generate wealth internally, and they do. These are such old myths!

You mean can you imagine China committing economic suicide just to spite us? No, I can't.

This is just populist rhetoric. People always lose jobs, even in the best of years. Why is the unemployment rate falling? Why is it so much lower than other countries? Hong Kong and Singapore were once manufacturing champions, now they have shipped it all abroad and are service economies, yet they are richer than ever. You simply cannot back up anything you say, it is just rhetoric.

 

What about them? They didn't have a jumbo jet fly into them; they weren't damaged by a collapsed tower; they didn't have a diesel fire burning in the same area for hours; they didn't have extensive load transfer trusses at the ground level as WTC7 did; not all were a box within a box design; some had beams encased in concrete; some had thicker concrete fire protection around the beams.

Each building has its own design. First Interstate is probably the closest to the design of the WTC towers. Then again, it (and the others) didn't sustained heavy damage from the impact of a jumbo jet and extremely rapid spread of the fire due to jet fuel. It's protective insulation wasn't blown off by a jet aircraft..

If we go by the conspiracy advocates' logic, every time from now on that a steel structure collapses in a fire-induced situation, it must be a govt conspiracy.

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Regarding First Interstate Bank Building:

http://www.911-strike.com/NYTimes_WTC2.htm

"Engineers later discovered that the building survived the fire with surprisingly limited structural damage; credit was given to especially thick layers of a relatively heavy, cementlike fireproofing that had been applied to structural steel. The World Trade Center had the much lighter, easily dislodged fireproofing on the floor braces whose failure probably initiated the collapse."

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Precisely what you subscribe to by continuing to gullibly swallow this lying administration's "official" claims (with FEMA fabrications endorsed by a federally funded trade organisation).

No political capital being leveraged to maintain the fiction, of course not.

Once again, the WTC tower construction included numerous "mechanical" floors which were double reinforced with cross support framework which would have slowed if not halted altogether any "pancaking"-styled collapse as claimed by the administration and its profit-seeking parrots. The collapse remains demonstrably one of a demolition free-fall nature as clearly as the nose on your face.

Just another example of the cognitive diconnect engered through manufactured consent. Repeat a lie enough with as much media assistance and the masses will cease to question.