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Veg, you usually make sense, but that was a pretty broad statement (no pun intended. )

 

why does my age have to matter? You don't know me, and if you did you'd know that I never really understood people my age and younger and often found friends in much older adults. i've never been drunk, i tried pot with my husband once, never been to a bar, never posted nude pics of myself, basically anything that younger people flock to do, i have never really done.
but I DO understand something about the way their heads are working after being stuck with shitty self esteem myself and i KNOW what extent people will go to for attention.

 

Oh, my..........you live in very fortunate times, and in very fortunate situations. The fact that you live in the USA, and admittedly come from a rich family, all contribute to maybe not seeing oppression despite the fact that it is all around you.

 

Ahh, but that also means you don't know them teen girls, and their age doesn't have to matter. Right? That's basically what you were saying. Your age doesn't have to matter, because he doesn't know you. Same shit, different pile.

 

i should have said that I never understood what their attraction was to doing those kinds of things. It wasn't untl recently that I realized why they were doing it (I'm not just talking about the pics here)...I have been depressed, felt incredibly shitty about myself, and my life in general, and I went looking for attention and sympathy in different ways...I slept with a few guys I never should have, cut, and got attatched to people I never should have because I was looking for someone to tell me something good about myself. I can understand WHY their doing it, I just don't think that they shoudl be doing the things that they're doing, ONLY because I've been there, just instead of pictures, I just acted out in differnt ways, like I said above. But those types of girls have also reemed me out for the ways that I chose to act out my self esteem issues.

 

precisely the problem

 

being judged and being oppressed are completely different. in fact, using them in the same way pretty much insults everyone who actually is oppressed.

 

no, i'm pretty much completely unoppressed.

 

Well, oppression is when one cannot acheive what an other could, due to societal, economic, racial or sexual prejudices. Dubya is certainly "judged" by many, but not the least "opppressed" he can do about anything he wants and is not stopped by reasons of race, sex or economics. His access to things he wants and his power to get things done that he wants is nearly limiteless. He is NOT oppressed, although, rightly so, he is certainly judged. BUT, that judgement does NOT put him at a point of any type of real oppression.

The more "Status Quo" entitlements one has (money, power, belnging to the dominant gender in the society, living in the right neighborhood, belonging to the right clubs and groups) the LESS likely you can be OPPRESSED. A rich white guy, middle aged, who belongs to a men's smoking club and owns a few Congressmembers, is NOT oppresssed, but he is, in a lot of places JUDGED. His access, and ability gain what he needs or wants are not limited by his social, political, sexual or economic standing. He is NOT oppressed.

A poor black womyn, who lives in the ghetto and has no money is not only judged, but OPPRESSED. Her ability to do and get what she needs and wants and say what she wants, and her access to things she needs are limited, or even denied, by her circumstance (and the fact that society often BLAMES the oppressed for their oppression!). Thus, she is oppressed.

A poor girl, who lives in a trailer, and has 5 kids, who she can only feed if she can obtain Public Aid, is certainly Oppressed, as well as judged. Her ability to do and get what she needs and wants and say what she wants and her access to things she needs are limited, or even denied, by her circumstance. Thus, she is oppressed.

A rich white lady in a Mc Mansion may be judged by many, but her ability to do and get what she needs and wants and say what she wants, and her acess to things, are not limited, or denied by her circumstance. Thus, she is not oppressed.

You can certainly be judged without being oppressed. Sheiks, who have large harums and tons of money are often judged. However, they are some of the least OPPRESSED people in the world (especially those who are freinds with the Bush family) as they have political, economic, gender and societal dominion over just about everybody else. His ability to do and get what he needs and wants and say what he likes and and his access to things,are not limited or denied by his circumstance. Thus, he is not oppressed.

Oppression is the inability to get what you want or need, or to be forced into situations where you have less freedom or ACCESS than others, because of your status.

Although many oppressed people are judged, judgement alone does not equal oppression.

One more thing, the least someone IS oppressed themselves, and the more ACCESS and Status Quo Entitlements they feel, the LESS likely they are to even aknowlege, much less understand oppression, misunderstand it, and blame real oprression (which can ONLY come from those with racial, sexual or economic entitlemnts) on the oppressed themselves. And many of the oppressors will use very very lame "demonstrations" of things "aren't fair" to describe their weak understanding of oppression.

Things not being "fair" to an individual (say, a middle class white guy who claims he didn't get a job because they "gave it" to a black womyn) is NOT opression. If one thinks it is, then one does not understand the underlying long time history of systemic oppression and how it is used to prevent anyone other than the Status Quo and the societally priveleged from gaining opportunity, access or even to live.

 

This thread has gone completely off topic, however, how in the hell do you figure you are oppressed? I think you completely missed Maggie's point. Maybe you should re-read it.

 

lol....oppressed rich people....whats the world coming to. Why dont your parents just pay your tuition?

Thats like a rich person bitching because the couldnt get a Pell Grant for college, and some poor ignorant son of a bitch did.

 

Sounds like my neighborhood! Beaches and poor folks! (I'm one of 'em!)

 

Not judging. But you arent "oppressed" but i will agree that your program is discriminating. You are right, you should get in as well.....my apologies.

 

hellopeople, you did NOT read my post. What happened to you may not have been "FAIR" but it was NOT "Oppression." Oppression is a societal prevention of rights, access and freedoms. What happened to you was "not fair." But, "Oppression?" NO. The program was obviously designed for low income people. Maybe "not fair" but not oppression.

From my original post, which you did not read in it's entirety. Which, also, almost to the letter, predicted......

 

Why should she get in? It all depends on what the criteria was from the beginning. We don't know what they base acceptance on. There is a chance that they are discriminating, but more than likely they just wanted to give someone less fortunate the opportunity that they otherwise never would have had.

When my sister applied for college (granted she didn't have good counselors help her) she was told that my parents make too much money and because my sister had her own money in savings (she worked hard and never spent a dime) that they could not give her financial aid or a grant, etc. We didn't think that was unfair, because truth be told, my parents could and did find a way to pay for tuition and books. There are some people out there who did get the aid that would not have been able to go to school at all if it weren't for the funding. It wasn't unfair, just the way it is.

 

Everything. There is no nostalgia bias yet.

Don't want to, either.

So you were the loser back in highschool - and you don't see how this is affecting you're opinion of highschool kids?

You've certainly given a pretty good demonstration of your insight.

 

whatever dude, if you need to insult me to make yourself feel better, then knock yourself out.
Just because I didn't find stripping, drinking and getting stoned the best possible things to do with my time, does NOT make me a loser. Everyone I know who DID do those things, are STILL doing them, where as the people I hung around with are in college, have families and travling the world....hummmm, I wonder...... if you want to sit around doing nothing with your life, whatever. But I, and the people I was friends with, did.
Why does my opinion matter to you so much anyway? And don't go and say it doesn't, or else you wouldn't be acting this way if it didn't.

 

Right. This is more appropiate explaination of what happened. I am sorry you didn't get into the program. I can relate.
My 6 year old was accepted by a very prestigious school for Gifted Children. Kids who go to this school end up getting scholarships to Harvard, Princeton, Northwestern and get an excellent education that public schools just can't give.

Here's the thing. We can't afford it. Sage GOT IN (only about 1 in 20 kids who even apply get accepted.) But, even with their offer to half the tuition, paying half of $12,5000 a year for Elementary school is much more than we can ever hope to afford.

My oldest girl wants to go to a private teaching college and my next one wants to go to UofI so she can get into Vet School, I don't know, even with a small scholarship and finacial aid, if we can afford this, either, and that leaves our son, who will not go to college for a few years, and may have nothing but a chess scholorship (not many colleges give chess scholarships.)

Sucks. I know. Were my kids Oppressed? I don't really know. But, if we were rich, Sage would have gone to the Gifted School for preschool, kindergarten and would be going there next year. AND she would have a better shot at getting, then, an other scholarship to a college where she can get easily into Medical school. Her access to many colleges is reduced, because of our income and inability to go to a "prestigious" elementary and High School. If we were rich, my older girls would be better colleges. Instead they are taking their core classes at our Community college and working two jobs each to help out. My son would be preregstered at Loyola,(which, of course, we can't afford) which has a 75% acceptance rate to Med School, which is what he also wants to do, and now HIS access to medical school may be limited (but not totally denied, of course.) NO ONE gets everything they want. Maybe, in our case, it just wasn't fair.

 

My dh and I would like to try to avoid huge debts. Bear and I were paying off my degrees for 10 years after we got married. We'd prefer to not have to put that on our kids, if possible, especially if they want kids, and it will be (for the girls) their husbands or partners making the payments while they are home with their babies.

In my state there are no grants for Elemetary school. I hope we can get some grants for the kids in college, though. Thing is, our income is not considered "low" and the grant programs doesn't always take into account how many kids you have, or if mom is home with them. The number of kids in college can help, but they don't care if you are either a SAHM, or trying to pay for private school.

Thank you for your concern. I hope you can find a good program for yourself, too.

 

In case you haven't noticed, most opportunities go for people who are quick to grab them, there is probably a good essay that you needed to write, you probably needed to show that you were the kind of candidate they were looking for. If it is not a whimsical program, there are probably some sensible people on it who would have judged who will go and who will not, I am not saying you shouldn't be angry, but really I don't think it has anything to do with your parent's or your finances. Mostly it has to do with people who are determined enough to get what they want, and they succeed.