My vote . . .

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Varuna, Aug 26, 2008.

  1. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    Why do you believe that?

    All things are possible, but you haven't offered a good enough reason to believe it. A simple assertion, seemingly unfounded, is not a convincing argument. Simply saying so doesn't make it true. Who knows? I am willing, at least, to question my beliefs.

    Can you do the same? How well do you know what you believe in?

    And, what, exactly, do YOU think Neo-Conservative means?

    He hasn't been elected, and he hasn't invaded Pakistan. You are basing your opinions on, what, the worst things you think might happen? On fear?

    Is there nothing else more worthy of your response?

    I am sorry, but you haven't offered a good enough reason to believe you.
     
  2. stalk

    stalk Banned

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    it's not fear

    it's inevitable.
     
  3. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Varuna, do you know ANYTHING about the people behind Obama, like Zbigniew Brzezinski and Anthony Lake?
     
  4. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    I don't know about that.

    Why do YOU believe that?

    Why should I believe you?
     
  5. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    obama,
    http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420070801

    biden,

    http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/...sk-for-extremist-revolution-if-us-doesnt-act/
     
  6. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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  7. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    Zbigniew Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor. I don't know what his connection is to Obama.

    Anthony Lake was Clinton's NSA. He is acting as Obama's Foreign Policy Advisor. He helped negotiate the end of the war between Eritrea and Ethiopia. Some Republicans find it difficult to agree with him, but then again, some Republicans . . .

    Is there something you insist I must conclude from all of this?


     
  8. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    please also note that Musharraf has conveniently stepped down in order to allow just enough chaos to happen so that obama and biden can have a excuse to invade pakistan to "secure its nukes"..
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Brzezinski is Obama's senior foreign policy advisor and is a total warhawk.
     
  10. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    I doubt that was Musharraf's plan. I doubt Musharraf had any plan for what has happened to him and to Pakistan. I doubt there is any coordinated effort among those who refuse to recognize Humanity's unity. One-ness is inherently antithetical to militant and contrarian thought.

    I don't like to see anyone use, or even threaten to use, military violence. I do believe, however, that Obama is considering all available ways to bring Bin Laden and Company to trial for their part in the 9/11 attacks.

    I don't think that's necessarily a Neo-Con thing.
     
  11. stalk

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    Bin laden is a sponsor....

    he's never going down.
     
  12. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    So, you guys are just not voting?
     
  13. stalk

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    The elections are rigged.

    I'm a "native american" that woke up in this world to find it fucked.

    I wouldn't vote if my life depended on it.

    Voting in the state is different. Presidential elections are a total sham.
     
  14. mystic_one

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    People like to think their vote matters. People want to believe they have some control....


    Damn straight!
     
  15. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    It isn't about control. It's about contributing one vote to the better idea, or, at least, one vote against the worse idea. It's about telling the world your choice about how you want it to be. Neither side is flawless, neither side is evil, but it should be clear to anyone capable of seeing the state of things, one side is a better way than the other. It's about standing up for that.

    If a few more people had done this in Florida in 2000, we would NOT be at war with Iraq, we might have begun to solve the problems of global warming, poverty and health care, and the rest of the world would see US in a better light.

    We might never have fallen into that stupid, moral apathy that confuses fearful belligerence with strength.

    But, obviously, you believe it is best to do nothing. Maybe you're right. Maybe nothing is going to change your mind, or anyone else's mind. Maybe all one can do is vote, work out their better ideas on this forum, and hope.

    Peace and Love
     
  16. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    if ifs and buts were sugar and nuts..
     
  17. Varuna

    Varuna Senior Member

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    But, what if . . . ?
     
  18. Jack-a-Roe72

    Jack-a-Roe72 Member

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    So.... you are voting for the party over the candidate because of the last administration's political affiliation? :rolleyes:

    You know.... if you were to look back (further back then 2000) you would clearly see that there have been some wonderful presidents from both parties, as well as some god- awful presidents (from both parties).

    Vote for Obama because of his political standings, voting record, words, or whatever.... but please.... PLEASE... don't make your decision based on the party he's running for... that is a completely uninformed and mindless way of going about it..

    You shouldn't have to pull "because he's running for the Dem ticket" out of your rucksack of reasons for voting this November.


    But it's your vote... and you can do whatever the hell you want to do with it. Thats your right, and I shouldn't be so critical.

    All I'm saying is that a lot of men and women, black and white, have sacrificed everything for you to have that vote... it should mean a great deal.

    Hey, at least you are voting.. lol... there aren't too many in this country that are.... I hate the apathy in this country.

    The right to vote... the OBLIGATION to vote... means so so so little in this country.... so much has been sacrificed for it yet so few really care.

    Most everyone is going to take that right to vote for granted until something threatens to take it away from them. :mad:

    ....but maybe thats what it takes to shock America out of its apathetic daze.:mad::eek:
     
  19. Jack-a-Roe72

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    you aren't a "native american"


    I am. And I can prove it. My grandmother was Eastern Band Cherokee.


    So what if the elections are a sham. So what if they are rigged.

    You think not voting in this election is a better path rather than voting in a sham???? WTF?!?!

    So many died for you to have the right to cast a vote yet you'd rather throw all that away because you think the elections are a sham?



    It doesn't freakin' matter if the elections are rigged or a sham if you don't even vote in the first place! It doesn't matter how legitimate the elections are if you don't even vote!


    Don't you know how the government got all the power and control in the first place???? Don't you know how the electoral process in the USA turned in to such a sham?!?!


    Because of apathy. Because we as a population has allowed our government to take control of us. Because we didn't care enough to go out and vote. Because we didn't care enough to stop the government as it ran out of control. The founding fathers set the government up to be small and well regulated. To be run by the people. To be a republic. To act as prescribed by our Constitution.

    WE allowed our government to become what it is today.

    STOP COMPLAINING about the our government and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

    The first thing you can do is to VOTE.

    WE can take back control of our government. This country began as a revolution against a greedy government and it can happen again, but it can only happen if and when we as a population collectively get off our apathetic asses and do something about it!!!
     
  20. Jack-a-Roe72

    Jack-a-Roe72 Member

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    We as a population have been very apathetic LOOOOONG before Bush & Co. was elected. It is just that now our apathy is starting to have negative consequences...

    And actually, Bush ran and won on a completely different set of policies than what we saw after 9/11.

    Ron Paul mentions it often- he ran on a conservative economic and foreign policy- no interventionism, no nation building, no policing the world.... almost like a Taft republican... obviously... something changed.
     

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