My (unfinished) thoughts on the Universe

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lunarverse, Jul 19, 2009.

  1. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    I won't. And you don't tell me what to do or not do.

    Either way, to get back to topic. I don't know enough about the math though it obviously is correct.

    However, I have enough experience in life to suspect that like in other walks of life, numbers are often given conceptual interpretations that could be interpreted otherwise.

    I also have enough experience to know that people like to give data twisting little cute turns of language and labels that sell.

    Maybe you can explain to me how the math that made nuclear fission possible explains the finitude of matter.
     
  2. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Now you're the one editing your post.

    I'm a troll, and have been IRL to anyone who is pretentious enough to spout off existing mainstream ideas without questioning them, especially if it is in a preachy or didactic sort of way.

    Like I said, I cannot see how anything in existence could be devoid of contradiction. I haven't experienced it.
     
  3. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    energy IS matter, (e=mc^2)

    You have the law of conservation of energy, yes?
    i.e. first law of thermodynamics

    in a closed system all of your energy DOES something (becomes other energy) that's the easiest least pretentious way I can say it.

    because energy is mass, this is also true of mass.

    (you remember the transitive property of equality, if a=b and b=c then a=c)

    SO e=mc^2 means

    that the first law of thermodynamics applies to matter

    which MEANS, that since the universe is a closed system, or at least must be because of red shift (only reason for it is there is nothing outside, nature abhors a vacuum)

    that there is a finite amount of matter.
     
  4. stacy lulu

    stacy lulu yeeeaah buddy

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    you and me both, buddy. Im always questioning that. i read most of the beginning and such negative comments you got when you were just looking for thoughts. I believe you put this in the wrong place. usually happens when you get so much negativity
     
  5. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    No actually you're pretty bang on. Minus the "desire for a sense of belonging". That doesn't interest me. However yes, a sense of purpose does very much so. However I wasn't trying to use my 'theory' (a term I use loosley in this context) to help me find one. As you said, science isn't going to. Science is a cold hearted bitch.
     
  6. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    hey :) I haven't talked to you in a while.
     
  7. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Get back to me on your well reasoned questioning of high energy physics when you get some lab hours at fermilab so you have data to actually question these things that have been as established as they can be by experimental physics.

    there are people who want jobs and who make jobs by trying to question ANYTHING, rigor happens in the process.
     
  8. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    The battle of the geniuses!!
    Hipforums!! Where everything is solved by geniuses!
     
  9. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Thank you for not being pretentious. I am interested.

    Now, it seems logical to me that matter is neither created nor destroyed. That seems to me to be what is explained in your post, yes?

    But why is the fact that energy is neither created nor destroyed equated with finitude?

    That's my issue. Infinity does not imply creation in my mind. Also, could you explain red shift?

    I don't see how nature abhors vacuum at all since the universe is mostly a vacuum.
     
  10. Cherea

    Cherea Senior Member

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    Get back to me when you grow enough balls to question mainstream information and come up with independent interpretations of observable phenomena.

    I'm not questioning the data, Einstein. I'm questioning the logical interpretation of it. Lurk moar.

    And get a hooker, already.
     
  11. stacy lulu

    stacy lulu yeeeaah buddy

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    lol hey. how are ya?
     
  12. stacy lulu

    stacy lulu yeeeaah buddy

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    kiss and make up already



    :leaving:
     
  13. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    :lurk5: shit I've learned more here in an hour than I learned in my last three years of high school
     
  14. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Red shift is the Doppler effect wikipedia can do a better explanation than I (actually, lode had a VERY good sig on it some time ago, it was funny "person A is dead")

    a vacuum is anywhere with less pressure, even though there is "nothing" out there. a "vacuum" compared to here, it's still got stuff in it, not much stuff, but more than actual nothing. hence the universe is expanding into true nothing


    no creation, and no destruction equates with a truly finite system in that, you could, in theory, utilize it all at once.

    it would be a god damn enormous challenge, but you could take all of the energy in the universe, and convert it into a truly enormous black hole (presumptively for the creation of another universe or something, take half of it, make a black hole of classic sort, take the other just less than half, make an anti matter black hole, slam together, become "god".)
     
  15. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    I'm pretty good. and you? You still single? :bigear: lol
     
  16. stacy lulu

    stacy lulu yeeeaah buddy

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    I know. its entertaining. I better not get in a cross fire with my smart ass ways. ill just sit and watch.
     
  17. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    I thought a vacuum was scientifically proven to have nothing in it.
     
  18. stacy lulu

    stacy lulu yeeeaah buddy

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    Im peachy. and psst yeah im still single :mad:
     
  19. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    We have "vacuum chambers" here on earth, but we can't produce any vacuums here as complete as "the vacuum of space"

    the "vacuum of space" isn't as complete as we'd like to claim it is, it's a REALLY hard vacuum, but it's not a TRUE vacuum, it's just a word that gets thrown around.
     
  20. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    no, you're thinking of rebelfight's head. :)
     
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