My theory of god.

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HAHAHA. Libertine, you freakin rock. I love you!

 

I certainly don't know the answers, and don't expect to any time soon. I will be quite astonished if I find out before I die. Still, I cannot say I am absolutely certain that we can't know, which I guess is part of not knowing. If someone else knows, good for them, that's great, I am glad to hear it. Just don't expect that alone to convince me that I know. I can accept that they very well could know, if only because I don't, so how would I know?
I have no problem with someone saying they know, but rather, I am happy for them. It is my belief that I have a chance of knowing when I die, at the earliest.
'Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.' Andre Gide
‘Treat the other man's faith gently; it is all he has to believe with. His mind was created for his own thoughts, not yours or mine. ‘ Henry S. Haskins
" If I do not believe as you believe, it proves that you do not believe as I believe, and this is all that it proves. " Thomas Paine
'The more I learn the less I know.' Peter Gabriel
'Where there is great doubt, there will be great awakening; small doubt, small awakening; no doubt, no awakening.' Zen proverb

 

people who claim to know are merely fishing for supporters in my opinion

 

People who make the claim are merely fishing for something because they are weak-minded individuals.

 

My impression of what this argument is about


The knower, a beginner in knowing the one conciousness, says, "materialists are poop heads!"

Materialist says, "Knowers are poop heads for saying they know... poop!"

Beavis said, "You said poop"

Butthead said, "what is a materist?"

Beavis, "I know a motorist, they drive cars"

The knower that knows completely just laughs.

The knower that is beginning to know, joins in the laughter.

SO take that poop head!
Ahhh.

 

Ok, weak-minded poop heads.

 

Tim Leary wrote, "8. The Neuroatomic Circuit: Imprinted by shock or near-death experience. Concerned with quantum consciousness, non-local awareness (beyond spacetime), so-called 'PSI' or 'magick' powers, illumination. Spiritual
Intelligence"

This is the highest level human could achieve, level 8.

Even if Leary would argue that consciousness is a epiphenomenon of the brain, and thus be a materialist where matter is supreme. I doubt he really entirely bought into it, and he sort sort of skirts around the issue in what I read... Look how he mentions nonlocal awareness (beyond space time) DUH, the brain is in space time... he is suggesting there is awareness beyond space time... so if he argued, and I don't know if he did or not, that consciousness was an epiphenomenon he would really be contradicting himself big time... and his addiction to materialist viewpoint at least intellectually would be shown... (I think even if he knew it intellectually or not, the guy transended plenty of it and had plenty of experences of the one consciousness in his clear light experiences that he describes, and formlessness and so on... ) Although then he goes back into his "tim Learyness" and interprets in a materialistic way... perhaps, perhaps not... I mean hear he is mentioning this nonlocal awareness. So I'm not sure show where Tim stands on the issue of consciousness.

First of all Leary never wanted to be taken seriously anyway, he always said life is a game, and he stopped taking it so seriously and his life. Thus I never saw his theories and so on, as anything but a fun read... and enjoyed them... the few I did read. Never could finish a whole book of his.

He obviously thought there was an intelligence to the process of the universe that allowed man's brain to be... and this quantum consciounsess that he speaks of, almost hints that he was leaning towards monistic idealism (it's all one consciousness) rather then materialism (matter is supreme, thus life is just the result of random meaningless and there was no intelligent causal agent)


I just don't see how you libertine can be sooo into leary... I don't see his teachings reflecting in you in anyway, no offence.

I mean I really like Leary, not because I agree with his theories, but because he popularized LSD and got it to a lot of people... and because he is sooo funny.

 

Leary was not a mystic. Ram Dass and Ralph Metzner and a host of his friends realize this.

Have you ever read "Your Brain Is God"? Wonderful book. It explains a lot of which you are questioning. He admitted later that the "Psychedelic Experience" was mere poetic babble...

Leary is a "saint" to me because of his exploration of the mind and his challenge to traditional authorities.

 

yeah Libertine..... i don't even acknowledge that new age vommiting poster anymore

 

Who Ganja? heh heh...

He's nuts. But, he's alright.

 

aww thanks, the fact is we are all nuts
but not really, we just think we are nuts
nut= seperate self

Yet we are already really peanut butter
peanut butter = One conciousness, no seperation between anything. That's it!

So the nuts are only becoming peanut butter in realization, not in actual, because it is illussion that we are nuts in the first place.



I still think with Tim's mention of nonlocal awareness, he let it slip out... I think he is spinning in circles trying to hold on to the materialist perspective and still promote his view of spirituality... he just couldn't give up his intellectual favortie trip. oh well.

 

Maybe he has materialistic "spirituality".

 

thank you ganjaprince, thats all i was asking. as long as we're having a verbal discussion of philsosophy, its nice to see someone's ideas put in straightforward, understandable symbols.


concerning the talk about leary, i think wat makes him so interesting is that so many different people could connect to some of his theories and ideas if he didn't have such a controversial image. he is mostly known as the acid guru, but in fact he played role in the punk movement and cyberculture/virtual reality. he was always reinventing himself, and i think most of all, beyond what he wrote, he was setting an example. you can be anything the next time around! the tim learys you two see are two different, but very real "tim learys" that existed at different times in his life. and those two were not the only. tim, like few other human beings, truly went with the "flow" and allowed his personality and behavior to constantly be molded by the current experience, situation and circumstances, by the here-and-now... and while drawing great influence from the world around him, he was never detered or held back by a society that was afraid to change. the average person would tell you that leary was a crazy man, but i don't think that bothered him a bit.

 

I have only read a few things by Timothy Leary, and I didn't really get a sense of who he is, but since reading your mini-bio, I feel I have a better idea now. If I recall, he was experimenting with Vitamin K, and was interested in communicating with dolphins too. Is that right? I like how you explained his ability to accept change and live in the moment, that is a very important principle to me. Staying in the moment is maybe the single most important thing one can do, in my view. And keeping an open mind which allows you to accept new ideas, and change your own, also very critical. It sounds like Timothy Leary is a lot like me. I have had no end of authority clashes, in every area of my life, and alot of folks think I am crazy. I know it doesn't bother me, so I bet you're right, that he doesn't mind either. Of course if I was wealthy it would be different. When you're rich and crazy, they don't call you crazy, they call you eccentric.

 

When I hear people say "we are all one" and "you are me, I am you", it scares the bejabbers out of me. I start to think that next I am going to be asked to circle up and "om" or something. What is it with this kind of talk anyway? It is like some murky fog that they are beckoning me to enter. "Let yourself go" they plead...as if to say "don't think about it" it will be okay once you join the "truebelieveroonies".

 

It's the fear of the truth, its the fear of remembering who you are, the one consciousness... it can be known, it can be experienced, you can see it, taste it touch it, feel it her it everywhere... this one cosciouesness... your life will be transformed into this oneness, you interacting with this wholeness, yourself, and it will be as real as each breathe. Some are not ready. As you aren't.


The thing is, this is just stages in evolutions that will take time... Eventually over the course of hundreds of years, all individual minds will perish, and we will only have one group mind, with its own thoughts, feelings and so on. It will be like a hive of bees, with everyone in peace and love, buzzing on consciousness flying high, and playin... lots of play... We will work on ourselves and go deep within discovering more and more about who we are. War will be over of course. And eventually as we develop we will be able to explore all of our universe. and perhaps even other universes, without our bodies dying. (you can explore all kinds of places as a soul once you escape the cycle of rebirth on earth)


Of all the infinite planes of reality, ask yourself why did you choose one with so much suffering confusion and the group psychosis called society as we know it, indentifying with the ego and the material world?

Because the dream of such. The suffering, is worth it once you wake up... The more suffering you live out, the more you get lost, the more tremendous the joy of awakening again, or remembering.

So all your doubts are welcome. Toddle off. It's ok

 

Ganja- it is your own fear of the truth that causes you to miss the individuality that the one (that made all things) has given us (and loves).

Except: God wants individuals to share stuff with, which is why their are individuals within the one. Individual perceivers (souls) are eternal because of God's desire (to share and love).

 

I acknowledge souls, egos, and other somebodies, yes, as part of the dance and illussion... it is horribly beautiful... yet ultimately there is only God and god loves all of itself, the souls and egos, the dance... yet there is never any real seperation, seperation is only a percieved that way, yet it is an illussion.