My theory of god.

lucky for you.....cause even when you think and type you don't say anything

 

well nothingness is sacred. maybe that's the cosmic joke, and maybe at the same time it is the pearl that is beyond price.

the single point, as the Bab or gate, if i'm attributing this correctly, Baha'ullah's fore runner the Bab, wrote with his own hand, that "knowledge is a single point the foolish have multiplied".

that single point as i feel that i understand it, as simply and unambiguously as i have yet thought to state it, is:

that there is absolutely nothing to prevent anything anyone cares to immagine from being or becoming real

and

equaly nothing to require anything that exists, to bear the slightest resemblence to anything anyone has choosen to immagine about it.

so why shouldn't there be something, or even uncountably many somethings, about which, no one knows anything?

i simply question the wisdom of attatching a name to it, and then immagining, because we've invented a name, that we actualy know anything more then we did to begin with. other, of course, then our own ability to invent names, and attatch them, to what we are (all) otherwise ignorant of.

 

Man what an awesome quote, wow!

 

after reading part one of your 2 part single point LOL, whats your definition of "real"?

after reading part two of your 2 part single point LOL, whats your definition of "imagine"? Mental imagery, simply thinking about the object, what?

Are you saying that things that exist don't have to resemble what we dream them to be?

there could be something, there could be many things, there could be nothing. MY POINT is that we can't KNOW.

I don't question any of it because we can't KNOW the answers. I only question those who claim to KNOW about WHAT they KNOW and HOW they KNOW it.

 

Like this for example........what good is this kind of response? Your trying to PROVE that life is a unified consciousness and that you can do more than BELIEVE this....that you can KNOW it.

Explain EXACTLY how laughter solves the riddle batman.

Cause it sounds like more anthropomorphic mysticism to me

 

You imply that I am trying to prove something to you... I already know it, and it's already proved to ME, the one conciousness... I am simply working on myself in the form of Eric, because Eric (the ganja prince) is trying to commite psychological suicide.

All this writing about the one conciousness is jnana yoga, a way to work on himself so his ego can die, and then he can be a flower, a realized being of one conciousness that the bees will fly over to and get hunny. Bees being those that recognize the honey of a realized being.

So I am not a fully bloomed flower obviously and doing all this writing is helping me open...

I could care less whether I prove anything to you.

Nobody cares in a way without attachment and total compassion, infinite power and incredible cosmic humor.

I want to be nobody then I will care, but in the right way...

It's almost like you have to not care to get the point of caring in a more evolved way.

 

Yet science and technological innovation have allowed us to get on the internet and share these ideas, exchange jabs at each other's egos, and find some truths about the universe.

Are our senses mechanisms that give us "bullshit" that appears as reality, or are they refined mechanisms allowing us to survive and obtain important truths directly and indirectly?

Is it not truly amazing that beings that evolved from single-celled organisms have found fundamental truths regarding their own evolution and the development of the universe? Are our senses truly bullshit if the line dividing our civilized society from the primitive jungles of the world is so fine that only a few millennia have enabled us to increase our life-span roughly threefold?

Maybe it's not so much the senses that are the filter cluttering our minds with bullshit as the emotional nature of man which tends to obscure fundamental truths regarding his relationship to other men, nature and the universe.

 

Originally Posted by koopa
but we experience it through the senses which can not be trusted. They do not present a depiction of what is REAL.

I get fooled all the time. My trusting nature is just dynamite for being fooled, but also, I have to admit, I tend to trust my senses too. I figure if you can't trust your senses, what can you trust?
So, even though I know they cannot always be trusted, I usually trust them. If my gut says not to, I go with the gut... it can be wrong too, but I trust it more.
Anais Nin said we don't see things as they are, but we see things as we are.
I like that.
I am a bit of a paradox when it comes to subjects like God, and reality, etc.
On the one hand, I see the discussion subject of this thread as pointless, a waste of time, and unresolvable. God? It's all God. Or not. nuff sed.
Then on the other hand here I am posting in this pointless thread. That makes no sense, but then chaos theory, and randomness patterns don't either.
I see the point about science being a new religion, it sometimes acts like one. It is the one religion though, where anyone can change the scriptures.
Until I meet God in person, I cannot make any credible comment on what it is exactly that God is, if anything....

 

Here is what will happen when you finally meet the one conciousness, in spirit of course..

Conversation

By Ellen Wheeler Wilcox

God and I in space alone...
and nobody else in view...
"And where are all the people,
Oh Lord" I said
"The earth below
and the sky overhead
and the dead that I once knew?"
"That was a dream," God smiled
and said, "The dream that seemed
to be true; there were no people
living or dead; there was no earth,
and no sky overhead,
there was only myself in you."
"Why do I feel no fear?" I asked
"meeting you here in this way?
For I have sinned I know full well
and is there heaven and is there hell
and is this Judgement day?"
"Nay, they were but dreams"
the great god said, "dreams that have ceased to be
There are no such things as fear and sin;
there is no you... you never have been.
There is nothing at all but me"


What a cosmic joke huh? See you in the center Me! For the seperate self, the material plane, hell and heaven planes, judgement, sin, karma and so on...

All dreams created by the I, we all share. Do you want to get lost in the dreams or do you want to wake up and play! Because you can be awake with in a form or in a dream... even if only a little bit like me for I am a beginner in knowing the one conciousness.

 

Wow Ganja Prince.....now that you are TELLING PEOPLE what is and what isn't yet claim that you have nothing to PROVE to anybody I'd really wish that your drivel had left you as speechless as it is leaving me. I don't even want to talk to you anymore......thats how much I dislike what you have to say.

Enjoy the cosmic joke!

 

No. You misunderstood my statement.

These phenomena are part of what is real. So is camoflauge. So is seeing beyond the surface image of a painting (flowers, buildings, etc.) to the true beauty that lies within (as another independant, moving pattern within the stillness of the painting).

Don't be paranoid.

 

Reminded me of the journey in the movie 'Contact', ironically written by an atheist. I am not as averse to the confident tone of Ganja's post. He is speaking for himself, and I respect the truth of that. As for me... I feel it is possible that if and when I meet God, it might be totally different than what he will see.
I am so conditioned to hearing people tell me the way it is, ever since sunday school.........like in 1970 or so, so it no longer has any effect on me. I listen, I ponder, then I make up my mind anyway, whether or not I was told that that is the way it is. If I agree or not is my choice. I admit that our senses our regularly and easily misled, but so is our very mind, so it is inescapable, if you get fooled, no biggie, it won't be the last time. Not for me anyway.
And Kharakov, if I choose to be paranoid, I will, and I don't want someone telling me how to live, they aren't the boss of me. I'll pick my own selection of personality quirks thank you.
If this is all a big cozmic joke.... I don't get it. What's the punchline, bang you're dead? I guess its a bit funny.
I like the oneness concept.
Bob Marley I believe, sang something along those lines, and U2 did too. John Lennon did too, I think. I am really hoping that when I die, I get to find out this stuff for sure, it better be one of the things you get for having to die.

 

Is he really? That is where I beg to differ because he never says things like "the truth to me" or "in my opinion", or "the way I see it". Rather he asserts to KNOW a UNIVERSAL TRUTH. Considering he keeps telling people they have it wrong, I would beg to differ with your statement BlackGuard. He only has respect for his own belief. Actually he has so little respect for the beliefs of others and so much "certainty" of his own that he claims to KNOW UNIVERSAL TRUTH.

I agree.....and thats why I disagree when somebody begs to differ.

I agree with what you say to Kharkov, but I also don't want someone LIKE GANJA PRINCE telling me the way it is, like they are the boss of me!

 

Hey you don't have to accept the truth as I describe it... think for yourself question authority...

I would never have somebody accept something just because a rambling idiot like myself who happnes to be a beginner in knowing the truth said it... Only buy into it when you experience it.

Otherwise, please just look at me as you do.

 

Don't be paranoid, nobody is trying to control you. Seriously. Stop.

 

or you could just stop "selling your truth as absolute"

 

I just feel Im expressing my own awareness. Its jnana yoga. Only meant to deepen my own awareness so they I am a more calm centered aware peaceful precense, so I can act in accordance with the deeper harmony of things... Whether others feel I am right or wrong, a mad mystic or a man psychotic, or whatever... is no matter. These are simply the processes that others must go through to realize it for themselves. I shouldn't force them to realize what I have or force them to stay with there current realization... My offering to others, is too just remain stable and steady in the truth, a non doubter. For this has a subtle effect on others in a positive way, very very subtle. But vastly important.

"The best service one can do is remember god" - Neem karoli Baba

Notice he did not say believe or whatever... he said remember beause that is what happens, the one conciousness aka god is just something you remember.

 

your stating such a classic philosophy of one consciousness, one love, relativity, individualism etc. etc. GREAT. but you claim that your dead, static symbols which, believe me, have been said before - are the Truth? the little shapes i see on the page which simply represent something in my mind are not the truh. well, i guess they are but no more than the mud on your shoes. you say belief and theories are over rated, but theories are all we'll ever have, and i think your failing to see that the philosophy you ascribe to, in its conceptual form is still just another theory, and yet you state that it is "truth".

i'll paraphrase, don't remember who said it: when you are ignorant, 10 thousand words couldn't explain the world.
when you are enlightened 1 word is too much.

when you understand your true nature, you'll have no need or reason to say "I understand my true nature".

but don't take this too seriously, cuz remember its just more words and theory.

 

sorry man people've been gettin on you but i get the idea that your into leary and so am i, a huge fan. but i think a lot of people take what he said too seriously, far more than he would have wanted. i went through a time when i thiougt everything the man said was genius, but even he said that only 1/3 of his material was worth reading. what im saying is, even though leary and ram dass and all the greats were spreading an awesome message which was "find your own path, use your own head", they were fully aware that that idea itself is simply an idea which shouldn't be conformed to.



basically what im saying is, you've got the right idea but when you present it you use this real deep mystical context and i keep seeing quotes right out of leary books. "one consciousness", "cosmic joke", "think for yourself, question authority". all im saying is leary's message was to litterally think for yourself, come up with your own systems and structures and ideas and words to describe it. why not call this one consciousness "gerapledak"? it has no more spiritual value than the concept of a unified consciousness, for it is simply a CONCEPT, or a WORD and nothing more. it just seems that for a cosmic joke that is free and fun, your taking it pretty seriously.

 

I can dig it man, it is beyond concepts and words...
Thanks for tellling me that in concepts in words

thank you for reminding me great guru, I bow to your lotus feet..

"When you know how to listen, everybody is the guru" - Ram Dass