My "racist" Rant On Nationalism

Ever notice how the majority of Asian cultures stick to those Asian cultures? Sure, the Asian lady is becoming increasingly attracted to the white boy but there's only a real small percentage of Asian women that do this. The rest seem to flock over their own blood. I know it's accurate, and surely exists, but in my experience with Asian cultures, Chinese tend to stick with Chinese. Japenese tend to stick with Japenese and Thais with Thais. There's a figure somewhere that Japan is roughly like 98% Japanese. That's an outstanding number it is huge. Xenophobia only relevant to the Western world? I don't think so.

 

Ah, the southern cross, 12 stars to represent the 12 states of the confederacy.

Where's the racism?

Do guns kill people or do people kill people? Are flags racist? Or is it the people who unfurl them who are racist?

If a flag read "Fuck off Blacks" then I'd think that flag is a bit racist. But stars portraying states of an early nation... c'mon, man.

 

I don't think anyone in this thread accused the rebel flag as being racist (at least not yet, but sadly I feel it's inevitable).

Anyway, here's the rebel flag I see flown in my neck of the woods

 

I thought the comment "here's the flag I have to contend with" was quite negative in its delivery, therefore concluded that the poster was labeling the flag and those who wave it as racist.

 

Fucken YUCK!! That's totally unacceptable and I am utterly offended by this, this.. tripe.

 

Coming out of Germany with suspect grandfather figures I was taught a lot about symbolism and what marching under a flag really meant to the people of the time. So when the swastika comes up in chats and forums it is undoubtedly the most repulsive symbol in the history of the universe. People literally look at it and they think this cross here means "racial purity and genocide". That's what we've been taught today.

My gradaddy taught me different. It's no real shock now that Hitler and especially Himmler were fascinated with the occult. Himmler had a huge fascination for Norse Mythology even incorporating the Elder Futhark runes into his elite squads as the insignia of the Schutzstaffel.

The swastika itself is represented all over the earth from many different cultures. To some cultures it was nothing more than a good luck charm/sign but to the Norse it represented something much more significant.

You're back in the year... iunno.. 300AD. In Norway. It's late winter. What are the people there looking forward to? The sun. They've just come out of their darkened months, the lands and seas are frozen. The sun will free the seas of icy chains, the rivers and oceans are available to the Wiking. The Wiking depend almost solely on the waters to travel. It is their livelihood, it's what they were born to do, trained to do for years. The swastika represented the sun to these people. The sun, powerful! Energy! Performance! The swastika is drawn on a very old painting of Thor. It has been edited out in many depictions but the original, the swastika is depicted on Thors belt, a piece of hardware needed to unleash the power of the heavens. Take a look yourself. The picture is of Thor riding his chariots pulled by goats. From memory he is in red dress, about to pound a Jotun to smitherines. Take a look at his belt, but find the original.

I'm not entirely sure why Hitler chose the swastika. Everyone has an opinion. But all I know is that the swastika itself was a very powerful sign to the descendants he cared so closely for.

Now my granddaddy told me that there were roughly two real representations of that swastika. One faced North and South and the second was slightly angled.

The banners and flags which represented the swastika in a North/South formation were mainly unfurled and decorated on government buildings or constructions of political and military importance. The representation was that the North/South design were "anchors". That the structure was anchored.

The depiction of the swastika on an angle was to represent the Wehrmacht moving forward in battle. Which is why it is oftened called the "spoke wheel" for that's what it looks like, spokes of a wheel but always moving forward. Through battle.



So, flags are very subliminal. Everyone sees them differently.

 

I wasn't labeling it as racist at all, sorry if I gave that impression. However, I have never understood why people who are born US citizens fly the thing. The confederates were traitors who rebelled over the election of Lincoln and the consequences that it would have for slavery (or states' rights, 'our way of life'...; whatever, it boiled down to slavery). I'm not in with the 'heritage, not hate' crowd'; The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union, proclaimed by the government of South Carolina, made it abundantly clear what the reason for separation from the Union was all about.

My ancestors were living in this area, west Kentucky, at the time and were somewhat affected by the war. My grandmother's family is from Paducah which was occupied by Grant's army. My brother has done some research and discovered that we have two ancestors that volunteered for the union army. None served in the rebel army and I'm kind of proud of that for some reason; it's a part of my 'heritage' I guess. I'm a veteran and would never consider taking up arms against my country no matter how much I disagree with it's actions sometimes. Politics, no matter how distasteful, is far more preferable than violence.

I hope no one takes this offensively, that's not what's intended. I've noticed people get pretty up-tight on here sometimes. I won't name names though.

 

Oh, okay. no offense here.

 

Yall can wave whatever flag you want here.
Except for Serbia, burn that bitch!!!1!

 

yeah, i see a good amount of that here too. i haven't seen any evidence of racism from it, but it's still annoying because it generally symbolizes that somebody with an obnoxiously loud muffler-less pickup truck is about to do a bunch of donuts, tearing up the driving area and nearly hitting several kids playing on the beach, and then park near me and play some terrible music really loudly.

 

Sounds like a good group of guys then.

 

The word Nazi was said to come from the german name Ignatz which colloquially referred to a moron. The press when the Nazis were first formed used the quip to label the NAtionalist SoZIalists.

The Nazis didnt call themselves Nazis, Hitler apparently hated it. And Stalin didnt want any derogatory link to Socialism, so the Russians didnt call them Nazis either

Nazis to them was similar to the way some are called Chavs in Britain, wasnt a good thing

 

I don't really know my race or ethnicity. I know for the most part where my mom comes from, but my dad is very mixed. So, whenever I'm asked... I answer it with the information I have on my mother's side, or I just say, "I don't know", which doesn't go down so well, because people are so deadhard on labels. I never once labeled myself as American, though. So, that should say something. Don't know what, though. Another thing my family never did the whole putting a flag anywhere, so I'm not 'intune' with my 'roots', or whatever you want to call it. Basically, I'm ignorant and uninterested in all this kind of stuff. So, that should say something about this whole situation, because I'm sure I'm not the only one that doesn't care or doesn't know about their background.

To me, there are just more important things than that.

 

You never labeled yourself as American? But you've lived in America your whole life, right? And were born in America?
Well, you're American then, regardless what ethnicity.
And are your parents alive? You can ask them about their origin, if you really want to know.

Anyways, I don't understand the whole heritage thing (like for example some Americans being so, so proud of their Italian, Irish or German or whatever heritage)...most of them have never been to Germany or Italy or wherever
Yall AMERICAN and that's that. You have nothing to do with Germany or Italy or Ireland...
No special snowflakes.

 

I didn't know what my ancestral heritage was just by asking my older relatives. Many of them didn't know. Research helped me find part of the answer though. I suppose many American families that left their country behind wanted nothing to do with it and didn't tell any of their offspring where they came from over the years. Maybe it's because they felt contempt for the land they left behind and wanted to raise their families as the American, or whichever country they settled.

 

Are people really trying to argue that the Confederate flag isn't a racist symbol?

 

People like to fit into small groups or fit within labels.

 

Yes, this. I don't give a shit about your heritage or your hate, but the fact is people who fly the rebel flag are generally fucking obnoxious and ridiculous human beings.

 

No. Only as racist as the american flag.

 

People say the England Flag is Racist !