My Private Brokeback Mountain

Discussion in 'Gay Group Messages' started by Duncan, Jul 4, 2022.

  1. Duncan

    Duncan Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I saw the film (in the theater) twice. I loved the film twice. I was surprised when a rural gay couple I knew were horrified by it. They, after all, had made a successful 'go' of it. So what was going on with that/them?
    Well, there were several differences. Both men in the film lived in different states. My friends were from the same town. The film was set in the mid- to early 1960s. My friends were doing their relationship building in the 1980s. Oh, and I forgot to mention... the film is fiction.
    I have come to learn over my many years on the planet that there is a big difference between sharing one's heart and sharing one's body fluids.
    I'd much rather watch a film like that over any sort of pornography. But, that's just me.
     
  2. Jcinalco

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    I’ve read a few gay romance novels and the aspect I cherish the most in those stories is the heart connection. The sex that comes after the connection is meaningful and beautiful. They’re having sex because they love each other and want to further their connection. They aren’t doing it out of selfish motives.
     
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  3. thepapasmurph

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    Jim Parsons stars in a movie called "Spoiler Alert". I have a feeling it might be a good romantic comedy movie - and not too silly and not to sexy. I look forward to seeing it. I saw "Bros" and while I could relate to the story line and typical stuff that the gay community shares with one another, I didn't think it was a movie that would entertain the wider public.
    I don't remember how "Brokeback Mountain" was received - I have watched it several times. The difficulty I had with that movie was the portrayal of masculinity in it, that the lovers could not seem to be loving and gentle with one another - as if being loving and gentle was something men cannot do... There were flaws in the characters of that movie which I enjoyed, but I can see why gay couples in rural settings would not enjoy the portrayals all that much.
     
  4. GrayGuy57

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    When there is an intense sexual bond between two men, who also have a DEEP emotional bond between them, the SEXUAL part of their relationship skyrockets far, far beyond the norm.

    Though I have never had any experience with another man (or anyone else, for that matter), I DO know that I would want the EMOTIONAL bonding as well as the physical......the EMOTIONAL bond between two men who deeply care about one another, once forged, lives on forever.......

    "Live long and prosper"
     
  5. TwinT

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    It is perfectly normal for groups of people who are perceived as a sexual minority to be dissatisfied with a representation of that group in a particular report, film or book because they see it as a misrepresentation of themselves, or of aspects that really matter for them. This is not at all surprising, as these groups of people often consist of subgroups that have little in common.

    The only moments in the film that electrified me were the scenes in Joe Aguirre’s trailer office and in Jack Twist’s parents’ house – they are as uncomfortably realistic as life itself.

    Brokeback Mountain is a mediocre mainstream film directed by Ang Lee, based on a brilliant short story of the same name, written by Annie Proulx, “a very well intentioned, very straight” woman” who married and divorced three times, directed by “a very well intentioned, very straight” director, starring two “very well intentioned, very straight” actors, made for “a very well intentioned, very straight” audience.

    For economic reasons, straight women are the main target audience of films with a male homosexual topic, just as straight men are the main target audience of films with a female homosexual topic.

    The film offers women to show tolerance towards male homosexuality while secretly imagining a lover with whom cohabitation is desirable but tragically not possible.

    The film is arguably not about a gay couple, but about two adulterous men who flee from major marital problems for short homosocial & homosexual holidays in the mountains.

    Ennis del Mar enjoys his wife’s body and can therefore be described as bisexual at best (straight plus = Kinsey 1 to Kinsey 2 at most), whereas Jack Twist can be categorised as Kinsey 5, 4 or 3. He does not leave his family, although he claims that his father-in-law would be happy to get rid of him and throw money at him. The fact that he enjoys homosexual recreation in Mexico does not speak against his bisexuality. If he likes anal massages, for example, that's something he can't get from his wife.

    I have no particular interest in classifying the two fictional men as bisexual; fortunately, the author leaves the question open, but I don’t think the text gives any clear indications that the two men are gay, even if the two producers of the film, one of whom is gay, don't want to hear it.

    I would like to get (1) an assessment of the sexual interests of the two main characters from married men with homosexual experience. It would also be interesting to find out whether (2) the rough sex, which is reminiscent of rape, can be explained by an attempt to distance oneself from homosexuality – some married men here complain that married men have a very rough way of treating their sexual objects.

    Annie Proulx's Wyoming Stories are about underclass losers in Wyoming, and therefore make it hard to identify with the protagonists. And, as is traditionally the case with homosexual stories and films, death must be present to ensure optimum tragedy. If our gay couple see the two men as ordinary bisexual men, what is left for them to identify with?


    Text of Annie Proulx’s short story Brokeback Mountain

    Maiken Solli, Reading Bisexually: Acknowledging a Bisexual Perspective in Giovanni’s Room, The Color Purple, and Brokeback Mountain (Master thesis, 104 pp.)

    Brokeback Mountain (short story) - Wikipedia
    Close Range: Wyoming Stories - Wikipedia
    Brokeback Mountain - Wikipedia
     
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