my perennial message to the war mongers of hippyland

Just to remind you, God is not with the United States, and the prophecies state this much. God considers us an evil nation, and according to the Scriptures God will aid in our destruction. America will be split into three seperate sections, and at that time I believe are enemies will attack us. We are living in Mystery Babylon, and this will not be a good place to be in the future.

 

With what Bush is doing, we won't need God to aid in the destruction of the U.S.

Then again, if Bush is doing God's will, it's a moot issue anyway.

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Good point,shaggie.

 

If America does establish a strong government in the Middle East, the Islamics will. And after they are established there. They will be coming for us next.
Bring the troops home will only move the front lines of battle to American
cities. The war will not end when we leave, it will just be moved to a new location.

 

www.obsessionthemovie.com

watch the trailers

 

Wacky--how are they going to get here?Their navy?Oh-that's right,they don't have one.I know--their air force.Wait--they don't have one of those either.hmmmm.Hitchhike maybe?uh--row?Ahhhh--I give up.Let me know ,would you please?

 

Nope. That's what's causing much of the problem. They had their own governments there for thousands of years and were doing ok. It's the involvement by the U.S. because of oil interests that caused problems. We could have invested half a trillion on alternative energy instead of the war and wouldn't need to be manipulative of countries in the Mideast. No one in the U.S. would like the governments of other countries setting up shop in Kansas and manipulating the government and resources.

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Shapeshift.

 

I don't understand what you are trying to say. If it is that you don't understand how terrorists can travel around the world, then you must live in a bubble. This is an interesting video because I'm not quite sure how anyone could argue that it is scare tactics, right wing propaganda, or boogeymen used by the global elite to insite fear so they can control the world. It is actual footage from radical Clerics and Imams preaching hate for the US. Young children in classrooms, including young girls, expressing their desire to be suicide bombers crying because they have so much hatred for the US. The video is interviews with Muslim scholars, journalists, and relatives of suicide bombers, expressing their fear of the growing militant Islam threat and its effect on the peaceful Muslim world. The strong presence of Hamas IN the US, preaching on the streets of NY their hatred for the US and the need for its destruction. You ask how are they going to get to the US? The answer, there are already many there.

 

The US needs to get out of the middle east and let those people live in the 16th century or whatever time period they choose to live in.Of course they hate us--wouldn't you hate an occupying force that was killing thousands of your countrymen and women?The middle east does not have a history of democracy--why would anyone in their right mind try to force it on them?You, my friend live in a bubble if you think we haven't stolen or tried to steal resources from many,many countries around the world for years,Iraq among them.Please read"Economic Hitman" by Perkins.You will discover what the modus operandi is by us,in order to steal others resources.Why do you think we armed Hussein,stood by Ferdinand Marcos,Doc duvalier ,installed the govt in Chile against the votes of the people there?Somehow we can live with those and many other heinous dictators?Somebody, somehow here was making money off those actions.Those who make THE BIG--REALLY BIG BUCKS have done all this in our names for years--decades.Why do you think they are so leary about Chavez in Venezuela?Because he wants more for the poor.He has enough guts to stand up to the robbers in the name of his people.Now all of a sudden he's an enemy.He probably won't last long.I think the debate is over about the right wing here.They will say and do anything to further goals that are truly harmful to us and the rest of humanity.They care not a whit about the earth,it's people or anything else that resembles human caring and love--i.e.--altruism, in any way.They're flat out evil and I don't know how you cannot see it.They lie,steal elections and by the way--do you not think RIGHT WING extremists had anything to do with the Kennedys and MLK's assasinations?Do you think perhaps the left wing committed those crimes?Do you see what I mean?Any principle--any moral value-goes right the window when they are in charge and feel threatened.They have fucked my country up royally.I used to be proud of this country--but for what?The more one learns,the more it seems we've been really led astray and sold a huge bill of goods.Collusion of the media facillitates such. Left wing media?What a farce.It took the US over 200 years and a civil war to fine tune our democracy--to rid ourselves of slavery--to let our women vote,ect.What's next?Good or evil?And also by the way--do you not think that if bombs started going off here in markets or anywhere else,that ALL middle eastern people wouldn't be rounded up like the Japanese were?You think rednecks and others wouldn't start shooting anyone that looked middle eastern?You don't know the US very well,do you?

 

I think the US makes decisions with its own interests first. Decisions to sustain their way of life. It is no doubt that the actions of the United States has created enemies in the Muslim world. However, what would make a Muslim believe that if a non believer is found in Muslim land they are to be beheaded? Why would they need to TEACH hatred and lies to children so they grow up hating a people they do not really know or understand (the way Hitler did with Hitler Youth)? What would make jihadis go to Iraq to fight other Muslims because their sect is different from their own? There is no doubt the actions of the west have created enemies in the Muslim world, as there is no doubt that there are those in the Muslim world that believe non believers should be killed. Non believers including Christians, Buddists, Hindu, Shi'a Muslim, Atheists, etc.... This is what the movie shows.

 

I'm going to assume that most people in the world would just like to live the lives they have or at least have shelter,food and be able to raise their children in peace.I'm sure most people in Iraq are basically good people.Why do we(US) have to stick our noses in everyones business?Why haven't we(US) helped the people in Darfur.?No oil or other resources?Why can't we even control the companies that move their operations to other countries ,to the detriment of our workers?And pay them shit wages and in some cases ,pay NO US taxes?What kind of a setup have we worked ourselves into?Why have we become so fat and complacent in the face of these and other realities?If we(US) really gave a shit about ---hold it now--DOING THE RIGHT THING--we could help EVERYONE in the world in a proper manner.A proper dose of altruistic socialism,spread around the globe would show people that we really are a good and caring country.It's somewhat like the hologram said in THX_1138---"It happened so slowly that most men didn't even notice".That's how we got here.I only hope we can undo what's been done.

 

either way

no ones willing to go and do the fightin

its a beautiful way of looking at things

the enemy is present and must be destroyed but i'm not going to do the dirty work and back up my convictions

 

I cant figure out why someone who is pro-iraq-war feels the need to write on this forum for reasons other than sterile provocation. In my opinion those people _*ARE*_ warmongers or else people in deep mental confusion. Iraq war is not a defendable cause. Everyone knows but you. I am ready to accept everything but violence and supporting that shit is by itself a form of violence. Sorry I wont spend another word with you guys, you don deserve more than a few rows.
Wash your mind. Think by yourselves. Question authority.
p.s. no need for LSD at all for doing this. Brain required.

 

It is a good forum for the most part. The ignore feature is a good tool.

How arrogant are you. A point of view IS defendable - that is what it boils down to. It is true some people are unwilling to alter their POV - I'm always happy to alter my POV if shown i'm wrong. It seems we shall never have the opportunity to share our thoughts. Shame that.

Fair enough - Those wishing to talk with each other - DO.

I'm sure your input would be valued but do what ever you want - free country last time i checked.

Yawn - me personaly - i do think for myself .
I have 'questioned authority' .

I have thought long and hard about this conflict and how i feel about it. Altering my mind in the process. In part my mind was swung 'the other way' because of individuals like yourself. We all need to find our own POV - that it is different to others - is not really a bad thing.

 

what enimy? the real enimy over threw the government six years ago (or is it seven now? seems like forever and i loose track), and is still in a sense running it. we can hope their strangle hold is starting to unravvel. every once in a while we see signs that it might be.

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I'll come right out and say it.

I support human rights and sometimes, unfortunately, it takes righteous anger to enforce these rights.

However, this is NOT what the Iraq War is REALLY about. It has been spun that way, but it's not true.

I cannot support the Iraq War because I feel it is unjustified.

If it is true that it is "so-called" IRAQI FREEDOM...if we really gave a shit...we'd be in several nations kicking out fascist/imperialist governments.

If we REALLY gave a shit, we'd be getting rid of the fascist/imperialist government in our OWN nation.

If you sign up and go fight after all we know now, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for your actions by supporting Bush's war. You, I do not and will not, "support."

 

Look around the globe - that is what is being attempted in many differing countries - not all with a full scale 'war' no - that is true.

mmm a matter of opinion -

Not every soldier is going to be supporting 'Bush's war - a tad americentric of you - there are plenty of troops from all over the globe 'joining up'. For all manner of reasons. Regardless if they do or do not agree with the current conflict - the majority of troops either just want to see action - want a career in the military or both. It would be a little unfair to dismiss the thoughts of a soldier with out knowing if it was the current conflict they were signing up for. Recruitment does not stop because of a war.

 

what a completely pointless and stupid thread

 

no

this thread is informative for all parties

it demonstrates to the newcomer and possibly a younger person unaware of the world ,the hypocritical nature of society in general.

this kind of thread is like a crucifix to a vampire, you know the bit where the goodie throws up the crucifix and the vampire hisses and backs away slightly.
it gives you breathing space from self righteous propanganda.