my perennial message to the war mongers of hippyland

Try google every now and again.

Operation Sealion (Unternehmen Seelöwe in German) was a World War II Nazi German plan to invade the United Kingdom, beginning in 1940. The operation was postponed in late 1940 and later abandoned entirely in 1943.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sealion

 

???? why would i need to do that, am i making shit up ? maybe you need 2-3 weeks to come up with a reply. or maybe all this will get swept under the rug an you wont have to reply.

 

yes, i know all about operation sealion, this quote was from the "attack on iran imminent!" thread which he wouldnt reply to his statement there either, btw MB you even quoted my reply there.

 

well if my purpose was for recruitment it has not worked on even the most ardent of war supporters such as yourself, i haven't seen you put your hand up for the eastern front.

putting the usa back in its place? back into its box, perhaps. the usa stomped back to thirdworld status?

whatever you do, you do to yourself.

 

Sorry for being patronising - i did not remember the other thread *blushes*.
I was responding to the comment [over there] - i did not pay a hell of a lot of attention to who posted it - sorry.

 

thats ok i'm used to the war apologists cannibalising themselves

 

Is your name ''cadcruzer'' - If it is you are violating one of the forum rules ''no multiple personalities in one thread'' - plus you are also talking to yourself - wich is a bit of a worry.

 

please dont call me "guy" did i call you "pressed rat"? LOL he's just a lil confused is all, what's new.

 

.... war apologist? is that an upgrade or demotion? either way, thank's sure appreciate the effort.

 

hey

you're in my thread dude
welcome to the love

i've been expecting you

 

I know - we all get that way from time to time. Just some people admit to their errors.

 

you know.... it always make me wonder if the war mongers are actually just government trolls. the chinese monitor their internet, free speech is dangerous thing. as the western powers move closer to the ideologies of their old foes, it would not be unexpected that government trolls or their rabid supporters would swim these waters. its always made me wonder if these war mongering personalities come to hippyland as a creation of skip to keep the politics forum alive. as time as slowy grinds on it is disturbingly obvious that these war mongers spreading their seed of arrogance and lies may well be "real" people in the tradition of the personalities shown in films like borat.

(i mean you are always going to have teenage boys talking the rubbish of the television but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that organised war mongering would be more prevalent on the internet than most people would like to believe. why else would you have people who support the war coming here? imagination or creative thinking would be as far from their thoughts as would flying be to a whale.)

if these people are here, why are they here, why are they so keen to argue the case for war and if they claim they aren't why do they argue for war on a constant and ongoing basis defying intellectual and logical gravity?

one thing is for certain they do not like being told to join up, it is much better for some other idiot to do the fighting.

 

I come hear because I like the vast majority of people here - I like what the vast majority of people say here.
That I disagree with the prevailing sentiment here s just because I do.
Get over it.

 

i'll get over it if you get over there


i'd say supporting war isn't a very hippy sentiment

(but congratulations for at least exploring an alternate universe?)

 

I never said I was a hippy neither did I say I was a pacifist - the majority of people here I think would not deem themselves ''hippy'' as such. I dunno a lot of people I've spoken to do not like to be defined as that.
Even so - If all ''hippys'' are supposed to be pacifists - then depending on the conflict you would be asking half the members on this website to ''go join up''.

If you are a pacifist I can see why you keep repeating the same thing and saying things like :

It is a bit of a waste of our time if your are a pacifist.

If you are a pacifist - i've occupied that universe for a little while - I don't mind exploring that universe - ultimately it is not how I feel.
If you have the mentality that no military action should be taken whenever or for whatever reason - it is a darn shame the rest of the world do not feel like that - the unfortunate reality is that IS NOT TRUE.
If you are not a pacifist then wich conflict in your adulthood did you ''support'' and did you ''join up'' - if not why not ?.
I just think if this is the response people get if they are NOT a pacifist it is hardly helpful - and just darn rude.

 

its not a matter of being rude its just looking at the situation at it stands
i didn't say you weren't a hippy just that it wasn't a very hippy sentiment. you are, may i remind you, in the anti warmongers thread so unfortunately you are fair game as are the other characters who turn up for the chance to score some victory against me.

 

Guy the rude part is when you don't support one particular war but accept the rationale behind another - then call people ''warmongers''.
At the moment you are apposed to THIs particular war - fair enough.
I'm not here to score point over you guy - just understand your logic and attempt to find some logic in your arguement.
Avoiding questions - ignoring what people have said - is whatever your reasoning - rude.
I know it is not a very hippy sentiment - the point is many people here are not hippy. This is not a pacifist site last time I checked.
Many support a war when it falls within there acceptable limits and rationales.
I do think i'll just give up on finding common ground with you guy.

Answer the questions guy it would clear the air imho:.

Are you a pacifist ?
If not:
Wich conflict in your adulthood did you ''support'' and did you ''join up'' - if not why not ?.

 

protecting your life and liberty from an idiot trying to attack you is one thing
attacking without provocation is quite another. no one forced the yanks to attack iraq, yet they did so despite the facts, something you seem to know alot about. i can't just wander the streets attacking whomever i feel, why should i think it proper that a country should do so?

plenty of people ignore my questions - when in rome do as the romans do? if its not a pacifist site then that more or less gives you carte blanche?

this is the anti war mongers thread if you feel mistreated here then i'm sorry for this but it comes with the territory.

why are you here?

don't worry you don't have to answer that.

 

at any rate you've made some progress since your first post?

 

So you are not a pacifist ? . Maybe I think you are. I dunno !.
So you agree with insurgent behaviour ? I think you would call people like that ''freedom fighters'' right ? how strange you are.

If I knew then what I know now - maybe my POV would be different - but that does not mean the decision and the rationale was completely with out merit.
The world was on the same page as far as Saddam/WMDs was concerned - some chose not to ''join up'' as you so eloquently put it. Others did.
The other reason I ask if you are a pacifist apposed to all war is that - no matter what the evidence - what the rationale - what the ''facts'' are - you are NEVER going to agree or accept them as legitimate.

I can see that you have asked a question and are responding to those that respond - that is fair enough.
Maybe the majority of people that have not responded do not see the flaw in your arguement - if they support another war then they [in your definition] a ''warmongers''. It must be scarey for them !.

I have no problem with pacifists - just ones that if my suspicions are correct - act like you.

No you can not - but we do not live in your world. We live in the real world where actions provoke consequences. You only have to read R:1441 to see what they are. Having a debate about war and not accepting the reality of the ''real world'' is weird. No state is pacifist as far as I am aware - thay all have that as a finalility.
Fight for pacifism [if that is what you are] guy find another way to avoid conflict - not fight those that do not share your idealistic POV and the unfortunate paradigm of the end results of diplomatic processes : war.

I've never knowingly avoided anything you have said - infact I have tried my best and more than likely gave you way too much information.
Treat others like they treat you.

NO - I show respect where it is given. I do think within acceptable boundaries I have just as much right to say what I have to say. I appreciate i'm in a minority at the moment - sometimes out of all the blather a moment of clarity is found. You do not see me in the protest forums shouting down those that want to march for peace etc etc etc - those that show there true colours [maybe i've missed you in those threads] maybe i'll have to have a quick look at your prev' posts.

If you answer my questions maybe that may show you as a ''warmonger'' [and a hypocrite] - maybe that is why you refuse to answer the very simple question I put to you. Maybe you do not want a resolution and a end to this thread ?. Put your cards on the table guy.

Within this thread ? I wonder sometimes. I do hope to get a clearer view of your logic and what you think.
Too many times though you go off on some rant about something that has nothing to do with what anybody has said.
I answered your original question then when you re-ignited the thread - I responded - I should learn that to a degree you wish to paint a picture of people that is not accurate. I will learn oneday.