My long term binge with M1

So the oneupmanship in this thread is absolutely disgusting..

 

Wow wow wow. First off, K isn't that addictive. I worded it a little wrong (Edit, no I didn't.). Second, to say that I said cathinones are not addictive is slightly hyperbolical. Thats like wording me if I said, "DOC is not addictive" to, "Amphetamines are not addictive???"

Anything is addictive to the right person. But I think those are not considered "addictive" in my book. They both are definitely fun and have potential to be addictive, but so do most drugs in that case.

What are the parameters of addictive substances?

 

So just curious but how bad is abusing these kinds of drugs (methylone, mdma, mephedrone etc)? I did a little over 1g in 14 hours once (orally)... do you think I fucked myself up from that? I learned my lesson that night... just wondering if I've hurt myself in the long run. Between new years and jan 10th I consumed around 2g of molly (that's including the 1g in a night I mentioned). I feel perfectly fine, am I being paranoid? I havent taken any molly since then but plan on going to a rave on feb 3rd.

I don't usually take THAT much MDMA, I normally do 300mg... new years made me go crazy I guess.

 

MDMA is neurotoxic as well as cardiotoxic. 300mg at once is pretty high. over the course of the night it isn't that bad though. High doses or many repeated doses is where the neurotoxicity comes from. The cardiotoxic part is always there though. So you will feel fine, but when you are older your more likely to die from america's biggest reason for death; cardiovascular complications.

Neurons though I have to mention. Even though its been shown to destroy receptors, a study on monkeys which had been given toxic doses after 1 or 2 years showed a higher total concentration of serotonin receptors through neurogenisis. Its interesting to note though that they were more centrally located near the brain stem, nucleus accumbus(sp?), and hippocampus. I always wondered how this effected thought processes?

 

care to share the joke? i'd rather take a little bit of bladder irritation than receptor damage. ketamine we know to be fairly non toxic, m1 we don't know, and it's a serotonin bomb, those are awful for brains. you'll see way more damage from 30g methylone in a month than the comparable amount of ketamine in a month. night and day.

 

I def agree. Even if K did damage receptors, they are not as important as serotonin! Possibly one of the most important ones. Plus, most serotonin agonists effect dopamine and noradrenaline as well. This is the root cause of cardio problems.

I truthfully don't know for sure if its the most important one. I just think that hunger, mood, sleep, and sex happen to be important to me

 

The joke is these sweeping generalizations you are still making. We are now to the point of you weighing the trade offs of bladder damage vs. Neuron damage. Really dude?

I have not gone on month long binges like the op but I have used both ketamine and methylone on week long binges and used both a fair amount of other times and I found from personal experience ketamine to be far more compulsive and leave me in a far worse mental state after. I'm sure some would be more negatively effected by methylone it doesnt really matter. I'm not impressed by these binges op is reporting if they are to boast nor do I have much sympathy since we all have offered advice to him before and not much I can do over the net. I've not seen him provide any other interesting threads either so Id wish he stop bringing his use up. These Threads lead to bad vibes mainlinely.

 

Yeah, the I did seven goglpleximoso of boobs in like half a year statements are pretty lame to say the least. I think its a lot cooler to know stuff than to fry stuff. :/

 

he almost quoted you verbatim

I mean, methylone/mephedrone are the flagship cathinones... And just because they're not physically addictive doesn't make them less addictive, both can be VERY addictive, depending on the person. And they don't have to make raging tweakers or... whatever you call someone who spends all day in a hole.... of EVERYONE to be addictive... By that logic, let's say heroin's not addictive, because SOME people can do a few bags on a regular schedule without physical or mental addiction.

When you say cathinone, people think meow/m1. When you say amphetamine, people do NOT think DOx, is what I mean to say.

Jus' sayin'.

 

M1 and meph are not the flagship cathinones to me. Methcathinone, Ethcathinone, and cathinone are. Followed by meph and m1. I personally think that meph and m1 are more like MD** chemicals than cathinones. Plus, meph and M1 are research chemicals and are way newer than methcat, ethcat, etc..

Methylone

MDMA

Mephedrone

Cathinone



On this board people refer to those as cathinones all the time, which is why I see how you could think that its the flagship chems. But way before those there were others known better and that are more chemically cathinone. Khat the plant is a lot more popular than those two. I personally believe that serotonin bombs are less addictive than the more strongly dopamine releasers.

But like I asked, what makes something addictive? I think its subjective.

 

idk man I felt completely fine after a 2 week ketamine binge (10 grams was consumed) but even after a single dose of (m)amphetamines / MDMA it always feels like my brain is completely drained of its necessary chemicals.

I dont even wanna attempt to imagine how horrible binging on any stimulant would be for your brain - when you feel yourself coming down that's a sign to LET YOUR BRAIN RECOVER, not to create twice as bad of a chemical defecit as you would've had before.

 

^ Like I conceeded durrrrrr.. There are probably people that have a worse reaction to methylone than ketamine but it may be possible ketamine has effected your reading comprehension.

Tons of people, even on here have reported both negative physical and mental effects from ketamine, dxm, pcp and disassociatives as well even after a single use. I felt brain fried and out of it the first time I did both ketamine and first time I did dxm.

 

Believe me K is very addictive, it's everywhere where i live and very cheap, people can't stop it's so fiendish even when they're doing 500mg lines and not even getting high. This stuff addiction wise plagues people more than Cocaine, amphet around here.

Yeah i said Cathinones so what, they are all very addictive and so is Methylone. I do not find it addictive at all yet i know many people who completely couldn't control their use when it was legal and cheap.

Just because you don't find something addictive doesn't mean it's not that addictive.

 

Ketamine cramps are pure evil, it's severe stomach pains which paralyze you for days. But it takes about 2g a day for quite a few weeks. There's some horrible piss related K symptoms which don't seem to go away for quite awhile as well.

My experience with Cathinones (mainly mephedrone) i did it quite a few weekends in a row and after one all night binge i had major depression for 4 whole weeks! never had anything like that from MDMA and i did that a lot more (also i never previously suffered any depression)


I'd say Methylone is definitely worse for you but it's all a matter of opinion anyway.

 

Do you think MDMA is addictive? Also, where do you live? I don't see why you guys don't post where you live. Its easy to find out...

 

MDMA isn't addictive IMO, though anyone can get addicted to anything obviously. I did used to have a need to want to do it every weekend when i was young, that is addiction but i would only dose once and the thought of redosing without at least many days off made me feel sick inside.

Ketamine is an addictive substance whether you think it is or not, even Erowid states it's one of the few addictive psychedelics. Look at John Lily and his IM Ketamine use. K is the one drug which my brain tells me i can or should do at any time of anyday, it's a horrible feeling because i know what this stuff does to my health but i can't get rid the feeling and thought. The stuff is incredibly addictive, some get ill off it so that'd probably put them off but that is due to a bad reaction. Weed now makes me feel paranoid when i smoke it so i don't smoke it all the time anymore, barely ever.

Also i've seen the devastation and addictive traits of Methylone, it is definitely addictive. I saw people binge on MDMA but it was only a one day thing, never would the next day and the next day etc would they want to continue usage. MDMA does stop working though (serotonin goes) which stops people.

On Methylone even though I wanted a long break like MDMA I still had a weird craving where I wanted more of it (though i never went with it) but this is due to my dislike of stimulant substances. If i liked stims i'm sure it'd be very different.


I just want people to know how bad these substances can be (and are) addiction wise.
I live in the UK BTW, don't really see why it matters or 'how easy' it is to find out... i posted it many times on this forum already i'm not hiding it.

 

Then put it as part of ur profile man! That way we can figure out where the news and stuff is coming from.

I'm just going to say they can be addictive.

 

I find methylone less addicting than MDMA personally. It does seem to not to have quite the same diminishing returns aspect of frequent MDMA use though, so that can probably let one abuse it more frequently and its always going to be one redose due to the duration. I don't find a very strong psychological need for it and I feel completely comfortable dosing it again without worries.

I'm done with ketamine. I don't know anyone with opiate addiction so I guess the closest thing I could compare my addiction to was cigarettes but sounds closer to opiate addiction. Just always felt like I needed it when I was doing it and became much happier getting off it and I can't chance using it again.

The 2 famous heavy ketamine users I know are John Lilly who lived fairly long and came up with interesting theories regarding 'humans being able to talk to dolphins.'
And the other was D.M.Turner who one could say pioneered alot of the psychonaut usage of ketamine as well as other drugs as an author, who drowned in his bathtub at age 34 while on ketamine.

 

Ketamine is impossible to find... At least for me it is. Help me become addicted!!! Or at least try it once...

Meph is the only drug that made me fiend bad bad. I guess nothings addicting to me because I don't get addicted to things. heh...

 

Meph and mdpv I find quite more fiendish than methylone.