My compromise for gun control

I never understood this argument. You need an assault weapon to have equal arms to the military who has assault weapons AND...jets, tanks, drones, nukes, battleships. An AR15 isn't putting you on equal footing with any military capable of invading the United States

 

ncbumpkin, I almost forgot there is one thing I believe is a greater and more immediate threat at this time: a criminal with a gun or other weapon. I'm no longer a young man, and I'm disinclined to exchange blows with someone who may or may not have a weapon in hiding. In other words, that guy that killed two in a church recently before another armed citizen shot and killed him. That guy could've used a knife or machete far more quietly than a gun, which alerted everyone in the sanctuary to his intent. Fact is, I'm old, fat, and out of shape. My heart is not going to allow me to engage with a determined criminal like I did when younger, and my joints are all stiff, sore, swollen, and just about shot. A gun is an equalizer.

Ever notice that mass killings always seem to occur in a target-rich environment where people are unarmed? I have more immediate concern about this than government, but both are of grave concern.

 

It can seem daunting (and a plot similar to Red Dawn). In WW2 an obscure Army psychological unit designed a gun called the Liberator. It was a pistol that was pre-loaded with a single 45 cal round. While it could be reloaded, and came with a wooden stick for that function, the real purpose of the gun was to enable the user to go out and use it to get a better gun!

They made 10s of thousands, none with serial numbers. The plan was to air drop them all over Europe and Asia so that anyone who wanted could become armed resistance.

With the recent example of a drone strike on the other side of the planet, and the ensuing collateral damage, an armed insurrection in the US is rather unlikely. However, there is a great potential for a kind of "trickle-up" takeover that would start at the local level and ultimately lead to assassinations of key political and law enforcement figures. After that, they'll start dropping from crimes of opportunity.

Or, the government simply locks the country down and shoots anyone out after curfew.

 

Adolf Hitler and his generals all admitted that they lost far more soldiers to determined citizens firing from their own front porch than they ever did to trained armies.

Also, say you have armed convoys with military escorts coming down a road. You don't have to engage them all. Just kill the idiot in the first vehicle. Won't have to happen too much before nobody is willing to drive that first vehicle. You've just destroyed enemy morale with very little risk and outlay. You can never underestimate the value of psy-ops. Move that sniper around so nobody can get a fix on him and you have just turned one man into a far more powerful weapon than an entire column. Bonus if someone can hit the highest-ranking individual in the column. Same goes for enemy encampments. Guerilla warfare is very effective.

 

You can laugh and ridicule my preceding statements, but you should ask the soviets, who spent years trying to subdue those muslims residing in mountain caves and hiding among villagers. They failed with all their might and power, even though they had far superior resources and training because they were fighting to gain control of an intractable bunch of fanatics who were quite determined to also have their own way.

Come to think of it, you might wanna' ask our own generals. It takes a lot of resources to get rid of a determined populace who are bound and determined to remain free. In the end, the best you can hope for is that you will rule and reign over an empty and unpopulated wasteland, and there is no guarantee that you won't have to keep doing it just to reign over nothing.

 

My only compromise for gun control:

I’ll give up my rights to owning a gun and self defense, if and only if every politician and loud-mouthed celebrity hands over their guns and fires their bodyguards and secret service.

Until then, I’m gonna keep a strap at my bedside

 

As a non-US citizen, and as an outside observer of your country and culture, this level of delusion amuses me. What are you, and possibly your buddies, gonna do against trained, well equipped government operators with a few measly rifles and pistols, when the military, and your law enforcement agencies have access to:

- Even MORE rifles than you will ever own in your life.
- Armored vehicles.
- Attack helicopters.
- Fighter jets.
- Ballistic missiles.
- Hand grenades and tear gas.
- Gas masks and top grade body armor.
- Aerial and satellite surveillance.

And more importantly, they have the legal system and rule of law on THEIR side, against you. The minute you raise that penis extension of yours against a government agent, you become an outlaw. Then they can come at you with full force, they can fuck you up any way they see fit, and they WILL get away with it, because you resisted a government worker performing his legal duties. Make no mistake, that will be the only outcome the minute you waive your little pea shooter around. Your badly beaten ass is gonna get hauled into a holding center, where they might even introduce a steel pipe to your teeth, depending on how badly you annoyed them with your little macho action hero fantasies.

Make no mistake, if the government comes after you, you're already fucked. Your collection of pea shooting penis extensions will do nothing, by the time they bust trough your barricades and doors with armored trucks, that are invulnerable to your paltry little 5.56×45mm cartridges. The civil war is over, buddy. The Confederates lost anyway, despite having lots of guns, and the government has since acquired quite a bit of tech upgrades that will not be shared with you ordinary civilians. Now, do you still think you can win your little fantasy civil war?

 

Yeah, Japan already tried all this in 1945 when the allied invasion of mainland Japan seemed imminent. Civilian men, women, and children were trained with everything from rifles to naginata to defend their homeland from the invaders. As it turned out, the invaders were atomic bombs, and the most well trained and patriotic people at ground zero in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were vaporized instantly.

I mean, if the Russians or Chinese have missiles in bound and you're in the crosshairs with an assault rifle, what's your next move?

I think I'm just arguing this point to be in the discussion, and if anyone wants to have guns for self protection, target shooting, or hunting, that's cool with me. But civil wars and fighting off invading armies comes across as delusional ego boosting male fantasy

 

And yet, it's one of history's primary drivers. That's not a delusion, male or otherwise.

 

Militias like to cite the Middle East. The Marines have all that and Soviet Ak-47's which are not as accurate as a good old American Ar-15. They don't account for the whole picture of the war. Like it's not seen as equal is it? It's clear the American military has more resources and kills more while occupying enemy soil. The question is when Americans will get tired of dying and leave. Not a question of when ISIS attacks New York. Most of the veteran deaths from the wars of the last 20 years are suicides. As much as some people like to hype the evil Muslims killing your baby boy it's not happening often. It does happen to some people and it's very sad but Americans are not dying in combat like they were in WW2.

If the American people are ISIS they loose the revolution. They lack the ability for an offensive. We can also assume a tyrannical government will not operate under certain UN laws meaning people die easier. Things like nukes or biological weapons for example.

Where did you hear this?

There was resistance movements in Europe and they did make life hard for Nazis but the idea that Europeans where shooting from a porch is NRA fantasy. It's what they know they would do. You are not going to kill that Marine before he gets you.

 

Well, he personally thinks it should be ok for citizens to own and use a bazooka, but is for the good cause willing to let that one go and keep it illegal. That's technically a compromise.

 

No... No, it isn't

 

Technically.

 

I think that, if you want a bazooka or select-fire military M-16 (full auto capable) then you should have no problem getting one. Same with any other "arms", including sound suppressors, pistol grips, etc. And yes, that includes tanks and heavier artillary. Ever see anyone in the new who shot himself with a tank while cleaning it? I think not. We have a right to arms, not just muzzle-loaders and other single-shot rifles and cap guns.

Nah, I really don't want one, but we have that right. Free people can do that without permits and registration. Subjects cannot. Says a lot about the sad state of this Union. Those who refuse to be ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants.

May your chains set lightly upon you and all that....

 

Citation needed

 

Here in Australia we have no guns unless you are living on a farm or part of a gun club, i.e. Police.
It's safer. But you do get people that have illegal weapons.

 

While you may have the illusion of being safer, I highly doubt that you truly are as long as there are those who have "illegal weapons", due to the fact that they can violate you and take your life long before any law enforcement can help. THIS is one of the biggest reason why many Americans want firearms of their own. In addition, nobody is safe from their own government as long as they can send someone to you and your house with impunity to take whatever they want from you, including yourself. You may trust your own government to be benevolent, but I don't. I don't even trust my own, due to the number of politicians and their appointees who know nothing about our highest law, much less care if they violate it. And THIS is THE biggest reason we have a right to own, possess, and carry a gun. Tyranny is always just one vote away.

I'm glad you feel "safer".

 

Mate, you don't need to be violent.
If America followed Australia's lead you wouldn't have so many pointless school shootings all because kids get angry at the school and go back home grab the family's gun and shoot people at school.

 

I don't know where you got the idea that I was violent. I hate violence. Problem is that violent people seem to have gravitated to me most of my life growing up and, therefore, I learned that the only thing that stops them is ruthless cruelty and violence. In other words, the only thing these thugs understood is the sight of their own blood dripping on the ground. Snaps them right out of their violent mood almost as fast as a gun to the head causes "temporary insanity" to heal.

I've stayed away from the kinds of places these people frequent for over 30 years and love the peace and serenity. It's not unlike leaving a noisy city full of rude people and going out into a rain forest where everything is calm and pleasant. Avoidance is my favorite defense. Walking away is my second-favorite. But for those who refused to let me leave in peace, there is violent force. And you'll find that this is a major reason your own bobbies carry a weapon of their own. Some kinds of people, like narcissists and sociopaths, understand nothing else.