My compromise for gun control

Hey @Maccabee what do you think of australia's gun control laws?

Gun law of Australia - Wikipedia

 

And I’d have respect for you if you could string a rational argument together.

LOL - Oh the cry of the open minded throughout history

 

Sounds like you're copping it sweet balbus.

 

There's no way I can rationalize with you B.
Yer like a little kid that spins people's words around to get your way and ideals to be heard or acknowledged.

I'd send you to your room without any dinner.....but then you'd call child protective services on me, thus changing the entire content of the situation to fit your style of winning a debate....

That's why its impossible to for me to string a rational argument with you B. You change the words on interpretation of what people say.

 

Here is a thought, how about mandatory annual mental health evaluation/checks in order to be allowed to own a gun/guns if you fail you have to turn your guns in and naturally be compensated by the appropriate authority, after all that is where the real problem is the people using the guns....IDK I'm not american but just a thought

 

After watching the movie Silver Linings Playbook~ 2012 more than a few times...

The message I understood and totally agree with in the movie is that "we" all are mentally messed up in some way. Who's to judge.
Psychological professionals also need psychological professionals to talk to about their problems and quite possibly mental issues as well.

 

You would send your child to its room without any dinner because it disagreed with you?

That is not a rational response to the situation and is likely to cause familial tensions and repercussions.

I mean have you even had an honest and educated debate in your entire life or is your instinct always to not listen to others points of view and then to try and punish those that disagree with you?

Is it?

LOL I mean I haven’t really seen any evidence so far that you can actually string a rational argument together so how do we know you are even capable of it?

Come on man pull the rod out of your arse, get off your high horse, come down from you ivory tower and stop faffing about.

Have you any rational arguments pertaining to the subject of gun control or not?

 

I agree and sometimes think probably more then most other folks.

what I'm trying to say is that it's not guns that are killing people it is people killing people.
And as a wise man (alledgedly) once said "the problem with freedom is that everybody gets it"

 

Lion

From the gun control proposals just reposted just above

#6

All gun owners would need to pass a test of competence and responsibility to get a gun licence (part of which would be to pass a psychological evaluation)

Read the rest and tell us what you think?

 

I think we should give guns to people with cerebral palsy.

 

Lion

So why give criminals and the irresponsible easy access to guns? Why not try and make it harder for guns to fall into the wrong hands?

Who is this wise man?

I mean what freedom?

We have many regulations and laws to try and stop people doing things that are against the public good why not in relation to guns?

 

@Balbus Not sure if theese are the ones you are refering to 6 proposals to reduce gun violence and how they work

But I assumed it was

#1 agree however criminals will always obatin guns if they want

#2 Disagree doesn't really makes sense to me why raising the age would matter, I have seen zero statistical evidence of age being a factor, what is more important is that people learn how to handle guns/weapons

#3 Assult weapons ban I think is stupid, but that mostly lies with the fact that to me an assult weapon is anything that is used in an assult, a fork can be used as an assult weapon, limmiting features such as full auto capabilities doesnt really matter at all, I'll elaborate on that in number 4, I've personally shot full auto only weapons in the military and also an m4/ar15 on auto, however I'd rather take my m4 on semi and double tap tha do full auto, now that said full auto on a platform such as m4/ar15 is much more controlable that in 7.62*51 and 50BMG and even in some rare cases (think glock 18) 9mm.

#4 the bump stock ban is ludacris in my oppinion simply because of the fact that I as well as most if not all shooters already have a rate of fire increasing device, It's called a finger, and by that I refer to the fact that with a little practice you can learn to shoot repededly relatively fast, so therefor it doesn't make sense, I'd actually think I'd have to practise more with a bump stock than my trigger finger to achieve the same thing.

#5 makes sense however if it's a temporary ban from owning guns then the question becomes who holds the guns during the ban I also strongly belive that the assesment of wether a person is a threat to them selfs or others, should be made by a qualified proffesional and not a familly member or random cop.

#6 I would consider a potentially good idea, certain security messures might be aplicable in regrads to holstering and such but I don't see it as being a big problem.

 

Well to my understanding crimminals doesn't have easy access to guns. the irresponsible yes they do have, but I see that as a cultural problem, take switzerland for instance, their gun laws are very similar to the us, yet they have less gun violence per capita than the us.

Any freedom, the freedom of speech, the freedom to protect your self and own guns, the freedom to go camping

 

Lion

Did you even look?

Sorry mate are you honestly saying you haven’t been reading other peoples posts?

The list is just above post 476

 

Lion

This is what fucking gets to me the constant going around in circles because the gun lobbyists can’t be bothered to do any research.

Yeah well what is your understanding of that? What are you basing it on?

Switzerland has been covered – they are very very different to the US for a start they have a conscript army based on a militia system.

Already covered – none of these are effected by gun control.

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Look mate why not read the thread then get back to us?

 

It’s like there a list of old slogans and flawed arguments handed out

One gun lobbyists pumps the shit out

Over several pages the crap is shown to be crap that lobbyist’s runs away another appears pumping out the exact same shit.

And repeat ad nauseam

 

Doesn't every gun thread end up the same way?

 

#1 education is always good, but the problem is that criminals will always be able to get guns if the so desire

#2 I was of the impression that background checks are already mandatory except possibly if you build your own gun, but yes that is a solid idea

#3 sounds fair enough, but had me thinking what do they do with that now

#4 Don't really see the point to this, first of all even if you restrict the ammount of ammunition that can be purchesed at one time, it won't prevent people from buying mulitple places, and retaining a large amount of ammunition I belive is mainly done because of bulk price discounts,other than that it just takes up space.

#5 buyback programs is a fine Idea I belive some states are doing it occasionally

#6 sounds fair enough to me

#7 again a good idea, also one that I honestly admit I thought was already in place, but that may only be fore in shop purches and not private sales

#8 While I do agree with this to a certain point I think a valuable addition to that would be to enforce manufacteres of such gun safes to actually produce quality, cause there is a shit ton of them on the market that can be picked in less than 30 seconds even by a first time picker. also to make it more safe, you could add the addition of having to keep the bolt or slide for handguns seperate from the rest of the gun, however it is a tricky point because it defeits the point of self defense, so I'm undecided as to what to think of it at this point.

#9 suspecting this referes to the one above it would make sense

#10 sounds fair enough and very logical to me

#11 yeah makes sense sounds fair enough

#12 my imediate answer was obviously, so yeah it makes sense to me, and one should ALWAYS report it if your gun is stolen or lost, not sure how it is in the states but where I live you'd actually be held responsible for the use of that gun if you had not reported it stolen or lost, aka you's be an acpmlice of whatever crime that may have been commited with it.

 

Tryson

Sorry to say it does seem like that – that is the reason I was praising Mac earlier for actually joining in with a debate.

Thing is that I can’t believe the level of ignorance within the gun lobby.

I mean it’s like they just accept whatever other gun lobbyists say without even checking to see if it actually stands up to scrutiny then seem shocked when they meet people that have done some research and can point out all the flaws in their views.

 

That if you have served time in a fedreal prison you are not legally allowed to own a gun in the US

Switzerlan also allows any citizen over the age of 18 to own any type aof handgun, rifle, ansd shot guns even in full auto, all you have to do is ask the local police for a permit and pass a background check, then they will issue you a permit for up to 3 guns of that type if you want more guns of that type you have to go through the procces again, so NO it has NOT been covered MATE

Your a funny man arent you you are attacking me because of your lack of specificity in regards to a list of gun control proposals, you can't actually exppect me to remember the entire thread now can you so stop your attack.

Well I can see that, but here is the thing I am not a gun lobyiest, BUT speaking of research here is the thing that you either neglected to research or the you deliberatly left out. the number of deaths in the US caused by guns is equvilant of the amount of deaths caused by traffic accidents, in that statistic is also included suicides where a gun was used, law enforcment use of guns, and deaths caused by wrong use of a guns.
So Please don't bring up lack of research