My compromise for gun control

Even if gun control actually made the streets safer, I still would oppose gun control.

Why?

Living in dangerous freedom is better than being a safe slave

 

Spoken like a true liberal. What has happened to you, my friend?

 

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Again I’d ask

Who do you see as the enemy?

When would you begin killing those enemies?

 

It just feels so free to have the thought of being a victim of a mass shooting always hanging over your head.
The thought of it makes eagles take flight in my heart

 

And this is the thing some gun owners do not care about the daily deaths or the mass shootings even if they are of children, to them it doesn’t matter, none of those deaths matter - all that matters is their fear.

They are afraid things might not go their way, that their enemies might do things they don’t like and so they need guns to stop their enemies from doing them - by killing them.

So isn’t it important to know who they think of as the 'enemy' and what things the ‘enemy’ would have to do for them to decide to go on their killing spree?

 

That fear is also why they build walls and hate teh gayz, muslims, etc. They prefer security to freedom despite everything this country has stood for since day 1

 

I suppose it is liberal in the classic definition to support individual freedom and oppose government supremacist views like gun control. I’m not fond of labels but this would put me in the classical liberal category.

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia

The real question is, what the hell happened to modern liberals?

 

I think modern liberals want the same things the classic liberals want, they just want government to mandate it. I don't know if i agree or disagree with that but I think the modern day liberal utopia of equality, healthcare, and an emphasis on spending more on education than say foreign wars is appealing. I really don't understand how anyone can be against these things

 

I feel so free the dept of roadway extortion attacks 65 year old women



I feel so free when government does home invasions of suspicion of fail to cut your grass




I could post 1000s of these. Even with stupid you tube flooding search results with mainstream news.





Here is one the police had all those chairs in the background could have rushed her. Could have de escalated . I am half the size of that dude and me and a chair would have beat that woman with scissors.

I would have threw some chairs, scared the crap out of her, let her know its getting real, then rushed with one knocked her right on her ass not a damn execution.

This is justified now, your aunt your sister mom grandma has a mental breakdown does something stupid they just execute on the spot.

The Nazis killed off the mentally ill first too. They were the first to go.




The only reason they don't treat us worse is they are afraid to overly piss off an armed population.

They cant just hose down the protesters like in Hong Kong ect.

"The logical fallacy of the package deal (also known as false conjunction) consists of assuming that things often grouped together by tradition or culture must always be grouped that way.

It is particularly common in political arguments: "My opponent is a conservative who voted against higher taxes and welfare, therefore he will also oppose gun control and abortion." While those four positions are often grouped together as "conservative" in American politics, there is no reason that one cannot believe in one "conservative" idea while not believing in another.

The package deal fallacy refers to misuse of the and operator. For misuse of the xor or nand operators, see false dilemma. Package-deal fallacy - Wikipedia "

Left vs right its so stupid 100s of issues split in half and put on 2 piles chose a side, stupid. One issue at a time.

I want a real debate here, how does a disarmed population make demands of government ?

A real debate not this left vs right CNN vs Fox news crap they got everyone playing to keep us busy infighting.

 

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Meanwhile in other countries,



Those dudes deserve some respect !

Nice work dudes, wow !!

 

And education

 

Also gun control does not equate to a completely unarmed population

 

Until the government determines that votes are no longer necessary.

 

This is one of the weirder aspects of it. It's as weird as "establishment hippies".

 

It is hilarious – all these gun lobbyists and not one of them can actually answer simple questions or address the criticism of their stance.

They just pump out the same shit in the hope that people will stop smelling the stench.

But what it seems to highlight is that they know their views are crap because they realise that if they answered the questions and addressed the criticism it would make it obvious their views are crap.

Oh well back to the show….

 

Political Party’s are the problem not government

The gun lobbyist go on about ‘government’ when what they should be focusing on is the political party.

Governments can be degrees of good and bad depending on who controls them.

The Nazis were a political party that got elected into government and then corrupted it and used it to take control of the state.

How did the Party do that?

· By the politics of hate and division

· Through lies, propaganda, conspiracy theories and scapegoating

· By taking over the Ministry of Justice and using it to help its party supporters and threaten those who were not or anyone that they saw as the enemy

· By packing the courts with sympathetic judges

· By replacing those in positions of power with Party loyalists

· By hounding out of positions any official that didn’t show loyalty to the party.

· And by taking steps to ensure that any elections will allow the Party to remain in power through voter suppression (the Nuremberg laws for example).

It was how to set up an authoritarian state 101

And guess what – all those things are happening now in the US.

The right wing Republican Party is the ones doing it – so why are the mainly right wing leaning gun owners of American not out protesting this?

I’m not saying that the Republican Party is the same as the Nazis Party but I would say where are gun owners voices speaking out about what is happening?

 

LOL I mean this is it - a right winger can say this without a trace of irony and in the full knowledge that right wingers have been trying to systematically manipulate the electoral system through gerrymandering and voter suppression.

 

In a democracy the best thing is to not elect into office the kind of people who show tendencies that indicate they would have no problem in setting up an authoritarian state.

As I’ve said, I think at the moment there are many on the right who would be happy with an authoritarian regime in place if it was right wing.

And remember the citizens that are armed in the US are mainly right wingers, and many of the gun lobby people I’ve talked to have clearly show a dislike even hatred of lefties.

So if there was what was described by the right wing media and government as a ‘left wing’ conspiracy to take down such a controlling right wing government, which side do you think the majority of the gun owners of America would be on?

It wasn’t the Jews that were first sent to the camps it was the socialists.

And remember the gun owners in the southern states of America that did not protect their fellow black citizens that’s because they supported those tyrannical regimes.

In the US you don’t have an armed population you have a minority of armed people with a certain political bias, an armed faction that is threatening those that don’t think like them with death if they do things they don’t like even if a majority of Americans vote for it.

 

Thing is that there is no ease of access to guns in the UK and we work hard at trying to keep it that way through gun control measures.

The majority of UK citizens don’t have guns and see no need for them so the majority of Police officers don’t have guns and see no reason to be armed with one.

In a society awash with guns a police officer always faces the possibility that a gun will be pulled.

Now gun owners are going to say ‘oh that is why we want guns’

But then you are in a chicken and egg situation – where do criminals and the irresponsible get their guns from well from people that originally bought them legitimately.

If you don’t want criminals and the irresponsible to get hold of guns you have to have decent gun control measures in place.

But I’m afraid to say some gun owners are quite happy for criminals to easily get hold of guns, they don’t care if a mass shooter killed hundreds or even thousands of innocent people, they would still be opposed to gun control.