my basic understanding of god...

It is nice to have people like Real American & Epiphany on this forum. You guys really write great posts.

 

I was thinking the same thing about both you and Real American

Just to add to Real American's post on his study of other religions...
I am an Apostolic Pentecostal. Pentecostal is often referred to as, "hardcore" Christianity. The main basis of Pentecostalism is the pentecost. God's promised out pouring of his spirit (Isaiah 28:9-12) that occured in the upper room during prayer (Acts 2). We believe in the Bible's plan of salvation that includes baptism in the name of Jesus (as given examples of in the Bible) for the remission of sins, and baptism in the holy ghost. (John 3:5).

http://pentecostals.homestead.com/StatementofFaith.html (all except communion)

Some of the other things we do:

• Women wear skirts (Deuteronomy 22:23) (though personally I think it's referring to transvestites. (I still wear jeans, just not to church)
• Women have long hair (1 Corinthians 11:14)
• No use of makeup (face painting was practiced mostly by harlots in the bible. Basically it's the idea of vanity. The idea of using makeup to look attractive to men) (I wear foundation and blush myself)
• We dance and sing as a part of worship (Exodus 15:20, Psalm 150)

We try to stay true to both the Old and New Testament teachings. Christians with old school practices. And yes, we are loud, but we love the Lord and we love to worship him. We have that fire. Some of us have been accused of extreme practices. I'm not sure what other Pentecostals do in some parts, but we do not play with poisonous snakes. That is just stupid. God says do not tempt your own life.

 

campbell34,

"No, the bible would not present them as such (scientific facts). Why would you believe this. The Bible is not about science. Its about God and his relationship to man. Incidental scientific facts can be found there."

Science is a HUGE part of god's relationship to man.

By presenting scientific facts as such, the bible would gain REAL credibility for itself, otherwise there is none.


"Yes the Bible did say it took 7 days to create the Earth, but you must understand that a day in Gods time is much longer than our 24 hour day.
Another words 7 days in Gods time is really 7,000 years."

7 days or 7,000 years, a difference is hardly there;
either way it's only a small fraction of actual geologic time.


"The Bible never said species. It clearly states beast. Which is a four footed mammal. It never stated 30 million as a number, and we know there are not 30 million four-footed mammals in variety."

You are implying that only four footed mammals boarded the ark.
The bible includes birds and 'all creatures that move along the ground'.
The fact is that all the millions of creatures needing salvation from a worldwide flood could not fit on Noah's ark, much less be gathered in 7 days.

Furthermore, a 450 foot boat made of wood would sink. Steel reinforcement would be necessary to keep it’s shape. Not even 19th century engineers could build a boat that big out of wood alone. The wood would distort in the water if it did not have steel reinforcement and would spring hundreds of leaks.

Even so, a global flood would have changed the atmosphere to the point that the water vapor dissolved in the air would cause creatures to drown by breathing and atmospheric pressure would crush lungs.

"The facts are back before we had sonar no one could speak with authority as to what the bottom of the ocean was like. We knew more about the surface of the moon than the bottom of the sea.
The only real authoritative clue was found in the Bible."

Islands.

Islands are submerged mountains that clear the surface of the water.
That's all the evidence you need right there.

"Yes they knew about surface currents, but the currents I am referring to are deep ocean currents that are thousands of feet below the surface which travel from continent to continent."

Ok, now you are just being dishonest.

Psalms 8:8, as you quote, very generally speaks of 'the paths of the seas'.
And you try to tell me this is in reference, exclusively, to deep ocean currents.

I see the way you operate here campbell...

(And just so you know, 'surface currents' run 400 meters deep.)

"Medical Science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches it's peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day. How is it that the Bible knew this 3,000 years ago and medical science just discovered it?"

Between days 5 and 8 are the best times.
This could easily be realized through simple trial and error.

 

I think you guys are taking this way too seriously.

I enjoy debating science and creationism because science is a passion of mine, and discussions like these provoke me to learn more about it. Simple as that.

Moonlight,
All minds are different, and not everybody shares your 'Grand picture'. Perhaps you should be more sensitive towards this, and not speak of 'enlightened comprehension' with such arrogance.

And I dont know why you think I am trying-
'to defrail the works of God, by using science against Him'.

God is science.
So if science can be used against a supposed 'work of god' (the bible),
then I see this as:
God being used against the corrupted words of men.


TrueAmerican,

Your truth is not my truth.
And I was raised fundamental Christian.

I am not shoving my ideas onto anybody.
If you don't like what I say, dont read it.

I am having a good time with this discussion,
I am sorry that it is upsetting you.