Muslims and Christians

Summerhill · May 6, 2013

StoneFeather said:

Neither of these religions have a place in the future if we ever want to evolve as a species.
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I entirely agree.I'm not against religion or spiritual experience, but medievil dogmas hold us back & cause division & exclusiveness .We need to come together not be artificially kept apart.

Driftwood Gypsy · May 9, 2013

You can't strip people of their spiritual and religious beliefs just because you disagree with them. You can't strip people of their beliefs, period.

Duck · May 10, 2013

Stripping people of their beliefs, no. That's brainwashing, and that isn't cool. Stopping people from practicing their asinine beliefs, is totalitarianism as long as they aren't causing other's harm. Oppressing oppression doesn't work.

Educating people and being frank about reality is a different matter altogether. You seem to be discouraging debate out of a misguided attempt to respect other's beliefs. We do not and should not feel forced to participate in people's illusions. A person can believe whatever they want, but we should not censor, sacrifice, our thoughts for their religion.

It's one thing to be plain disrespectful to another person's face, about their beliefs or thoughts but you don't have to accept them without question. This is a free speech forum on the Internet; people shouldn't be expecting other's to agree with them.

Summerhill · May 16, 2013

ThePoetSappho said:

You can't strip people of their spiritual and religious beliefs just because you disagree with them. You can't strip people of their beliefs, period.
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Its not that I would strip anyone of any belief,I didnt say that. From personal experience Ive seen how negative religions & dogmas can be,in discriminating against people & in dividing them against one another.

I speak particularly of certain religions treatment of women & homosexuals and of how members are discouraged from associating with members of other religions.

Much of what passes for religion is not the word of God but interpretations of men appointed to act as intercedors between the Divine & the worshipers. Look at the divisions ,hatreds & pogroms throughout history,all in the name of religion.

Ive no problem with anyones belief as long as it does not discriminate on the basis of genda,ethnicity or creed. I do not believe in freedom to ill treat others.

NoxiousGas · May 16, 2013

autophobe2e said:

terrorism is almost always (95% of the time, according to Robert Pape, who created the first complete suicide bombing database of every incident since 1980) a response to foreign occupation, its a geopolitical act, not a religious one. terrorism has become a tool for affecting geopolitical change because it directly affects the voter base in a representative democracy, and often convinces them to force their governments to abandon an occupation, as well as bringing international attention to an occupation. this has been true from the IRA to the Munich olympics, and Al' Quieda are no different.

we make the assumption that it must be a religious thing that motivates suicide bombers because the act itself seems so extreme. this is a complete misunderstanding, the suicide vest was invented by the Tamil tigers, secular marxists, and was adopted by other groups because of the strength of message which it carried.

Sure religious differences are often used to motivate people, "t'was ever thus." and religious zealots are easy to manipulate to your cause (thats why we got them to fight the russians in Afghanistan) religion and nationalism go hand in hand, and when a foreign force occupies your land of a different religion, the two become inseparable, look at Ireland; a conflict with both religious and nationalistic elements to it. but the root cause was not a difference of religion, it was British occupation. ultimately blaming it all on a difference of religion is a convenient means of denying our own complicity, and a means of distracting your voterbase from the true goals of a terrorist organisation. what's more to the point, if you paint a geo-political war as a religious one, you inevitably create MORE religious radicals who feel that their beliefs are being attacked.

"its because of their evil dogmatic religion
its because they want to destroy our way of life
its because they hate democracy
its because they hate our freedoms "

it certainly IS NOT because of any interference in their countries by US,
in fact, we should only become MORE aggressive in our foreign policy, pour more troops overseas "fight them over there, so we do not have to fight them here" as GWB put it.

(and if promoting this kind of worldview creates religious tension and hatred within your own country, who cares? they're only muslims)

anyway, i'm not gonna argue that there are no religious extremists in Islam, but i think if you think its at all surprising that the majority of muslims think that terrorism is wrong (they're called extremists for a reason) then you've bought into a deliberately fabricated and ultimately probably dangerous lie, which continues to create more hatred and radicalism on both sides and in increasing numbers.
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most intelligent post in this thread as well as others on the topic of terrorism.

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