Mormons?

I am generally friendly to these people . I save serious discussion to the real Bible thumpers.

 

I remember many years ago, there was a couple who lived over the road from me, they were what they called 'inactive' mormons, in other words they were still mormons, but didn't do all the churchy stuff, they used to invite me over to get drunk and watch porno movies. One day they invited me over for the evening, they said they'd got an important person coming and wanted me to meet him, but NOT to mention the drink or the porn video's. Well I went over and they politely gave me a whiskey, they were all drinking soft drinks, anyhow I spent about an hour trying to persuade this visitor to have a drink with me, he wouldn't, it turned out he was a Mormon Bishop! lol. It wasn't all bad though, we were talking and I mentioned that I'd just lost my job, he asked what I did and when I told him, he gave me a piece of paper and told me to go and see the guy in the morning. I looked at the paper later on and in the morning went to the address that was written on it, the bishop had rung the guy and he was expecting me. Overnight I went from being an out of work electrician to being a depot enginering manager with a company car, and I wasn't even a Mormon. They're alright in my book.

 

i don't enjoy being told what to pretend i know about things no one does.
one belief is as good as infinity minus one others as the unknown being unknown neither requires nor prevents any of them.

no better or worse then jw's, scientologist, neo-zen druids, et al.
anybody who hooks you up with a good job is totally cool for sure.

 

I find that hard to believe. The owners are known hire anyone, regardless of race, color, ethnic origen, or sexual identity or preference.

 

Got to be one of the most ignorant things I've seen here. Have you met or spoken to their employees? You do know they have a non-discrimination policy, don't you? They'll hire you even if you DON'T agree with them. You gotta' show up for work though like anyplace else, and you still actually have to DO work when you get there just like (horror of horrors!) any other place.

Where to people get these wanker ideas, anyway?

 

On the first point, I say this is impossible. It seems you don't understand what makes someone a christian.
On the second point, you are just another idiot who ignored or doesn't care what the Constitutional requirements for being POTUS are. I heard this crap from my army/navy dad and my marine corps brother. Military service is NOT a requirement and therefore irrelevant.

If you think otherwise you're no different than those politicians who don't care what our Constitution says, making YOU part of our continuing problem.

 

Got a better one for you: Look up the "Salamander Letter", or how they removed a statue display out front of their temple showing a lamb standing by watching passively while two people offered the fruit of the field (the same offering Cain was rejected for) as a sacrifice. As soon as this error was pointed out to them publically, it mysteriously vanished.

 

All 140,000 of them? No. But I'll put it on my list of things to do.

 

We could all go on for quite a spell about how this or that religous group or denomination did something outlandish or tried to cover up their own sin or someone else's, all to no avail. None of us can make our own selves righteous by pointing out hte sin or error of others.

Years ago while married to my first wife, Jehovah Witnesses came over often to talk with me. Wife let me have'em, so I got out my own bible as well as using theirs. They both left in tears. "That was just plain mean" my wife told me. <sigh>

If you're afraid of a bloody nose (figuratively) you shouldn't jump in the octagon..

Years later while single, a couple mormons dropped by my girlfriend's place and we invited them in. I ended up with copies of their books, which I read. I found them friendly and engaging, and they did NOT leave in tears. I also did NOT join their ranks. A sticking point was found in the words of the apostle Paul, to whom Joseph Smith evidently paid no regard:

"If we or an angel preach any other gospel to you than what we've already preached, let him be accursed"
~the apostle Paul

The entirety of the mormon religion is based, according to their own words as well as TV commercials, "another gospel of Jesus Christ", which Paul warned against. None of the towns, settlements, or cities mentioned in their history and origins has ever been found, due to the fact that such places never existed in the first place.

I've enjoyed my conversations with mormons, and would have no problems being friends and co-workers with them. We will not come to agreement on religious beliefs, however, and I'm disappointed by that. They are generally an amazing bunch.

 

well that was a confusing series of posts.

 

there are so many ironies in saul of tarsus saying that.
not the least of which being that he hadn't even been born yet when the author of revelations had been in the grave for many generations.
can't blame anyone who knew and thought about that history, even a little bit, dismissing the pauline herrasy.

what if jezzabel had been the real return of christ? wouldn't that make "saint" paul the real anti-christ?
and what about the apocalypse? might that not have been a reference to an easily forseable fall of rome, which abalard made bloody enough in its own way?
and the meek inheriting the earth, merely having refered to those territories rome had colonized, recovering their own soverignty?

all of which of course, having been ancient history even before mohammid, let alone columbus or even the vikings.

 

The above drivel is so full of lies and ignorance that I'm not going to bother. You are a dull troll.

 

@themnax I liked your post. The rat is full of shit.

 

Varmint, you're probably not old enough to remember draft dodgers like Biden, Sanders and Trump. They sure didn't feel like serving when it was there duty and time to do so. And, you know what, there just might be names on the Viet Nam wall that they're responsible for. It's not a requirement, and I wouldn't want it to be, but it is certainly a sign of character, or the lack of, when a guy went to ridiculous measures to avoid the draft back in the 60's and 70's.

And you don't have to believe that Jesus was Christ to think he had some good ideas. I wonder how many self-proclaimed Christians live by the guy's ideas these days?

 

I'm 65. I remember them and some others. I also remember some, now thankfully gone, who's cowardice and incompetence cost many service men their lives. This and the cover-ups that ensued were also an indicator of character.
Of course, there were some whose actions re-shaped them into something far better than they would've otherwise been, causing them to rise instead of sliding into continuing disgrace, and their misdeeds are mostly forgotten. I also read history, so three men in command at the Bonus March comes to mind here.

As for christians, nothing is new there. A review of the Book of Acts and the letters of Paul to the various churches will reveal that quite succinctly. There is a tendency to think that Hell will be populated by evil bad people, while Heaven will be populated with good people. Nothing could be further from the truth. An unbelievable number of good people are in hell, while Heaven is actually populated by all kinds of sinners. They even have some tax collectors. All of those in Heaven know full well that they are not there because they are good, but rather because of God's mercy and grace towards them because they believed the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

While there also is no religious test for being president, early framers of our Constitution publicly stated that we had a responsibility to elect such for public office so as to provide the best possible service to this Republic. You can see how well ignoring that advice went. One thing that doesn't help is our much-hated press, who have become the enemies of all righteousness and integrity, promoting those rather who are bent on destroying our republic and replacing it with despotism.

That's my thoughts on these subjects. I could go on, but what would be the point? Most people are certainly aware of these things, but they just don't care. Most of those I once worked with said "Give me mine NOW, and to hell with everyone else later!" and that seems to sum up this generation.

 

Two young Mormon men knocked on my door about 10 years ago. I like to hear what people have to say about religion so I always let them give me their pitch. They pretty much just wanted me to read the book of Mormon, and asked me if I would if they gave me a copy. I said I would if they would promise to read some other books (I don't remember for sure but it was probably something science or history related). They said they would, so I took the book of Mormon. I read a few pages, laughed about what an obvious fraud it was, and never really thought about it again, until now.

Side note, having grown up in a Catholic family I find it hilarious when Catholics make fun of Mormons, as if Catholicism wasn't one of the most insane versions of Christianity.

 

I remember many years ago in my local pub, I was about 18 at the time and it was a small village pub, we all mixed and had a laugh together, although we were young and bikers two people who hung out with us in the pub were pensioners, an old bloke called Harold, and an old lady called Annie, they were both in their 80's, but totally mad, I think they'd both seen 2 world wars and deprivation and in their twilight years, well putting it bluntly, they didn't give a shit!
Also in this pub was a catholic priest, Father Cook, he was in every lunchtime, a pint in one hand a fag in the other and he'd be playing on the fruit machine, drinking, smoking and gambling, how shocking, lol. Anyway one day he did something and me and him ended up having a right argument, it was only the fact he was a man of the cloth that prevented me from belting him! I stormed back from the bar and sat down at my table, also there that day was Annie, and her son Gerry. Now, one thing about Annie was that due to her age she was a little bit slow on her feet, anyway she could see I was annoyed and asked who'd upset me, "oh it's that bloody priest, he's at it again, stood by the bar with his pint of cider in one hand and his fag in the other, and he's just had a go at me because he reckons he was playing the machine and I jumped in, which I didn't because he'd come off it" I replied, "which priest?" asked Annie, "that bloody Father Cook, he's always at it" I told her.
Annie leapt from her seat and fairly sprinted into the bar, then all hell broke loose, she could be heard snarling and cursing, finally Gerry had to go and bring her back into the snug, "bloody hypocrite" snarled Annie, she was really worked up for some reason. I got her another pint to try and calm her down and her son Gerry sat there his head in his hands, "how dare he, he's in there, drinking, smoking and gambling, and for years he's been preaching about the evils of those things every Sunday in his church". I chuckled to myself as Annie raged on, BLOODY HYPOCRITE, HE'S NOTHING ELSE, WELL HE CAN PISS OFF, IF I SEE HIM IN HERE AGAIN THERE'LL BE TROUBLE!" she growled, she was proper worked up, it took several pints before she calmed down. She was a cracking old lady, you wouldn't think she was as old as she was, and Father Cook, well we never saw him for ages after that. lol

 

just to give christianity a break, not that it entirely deserves one, but anyone who tries to tell someone else what to pretend about what is not known, and of course that includes every flavor of christianity too, is really still the same thing. gods or a god may be real, but everything humans claim to know about them, is, well, something humans made up themselves.
i really believe you can love invisible unknown things, without having to pretend to know all the totally made up details about about them. and its not like they're really what beliefs are about either.

 

I don't mind what anyone believes, that's your right, if you want to believe that god is a 10 foot tall pink fluffy gonk, then fine, just don't try and force your beliefs on me, you have your opinions and beliefs and I have mine, so lets leave it at that. It's when people insist that their belief's are right and then start to belittle others that I get upset. too many people preach tolerance, but seem reluctant to practice it.

 

indeed, the unknown being unknown does not eliminate any possibility. it just also doesn't eliminate infinity minus one OTHER possibilities, then whatever any one happens to believe.
granted universal and unbiased consideration is easier preached then practiced, nor can it logically be demanded, but it can be pursued, and the conditions created by the lack of it, do hurt everyone

and it is only that harm not be placed in my path (or anyone else's) that i ask of anyone (and of course attempt to avoid doing so myself)

i'm even rather fond of the idea, have a sense really, of connectedness, of self aware beings who are neither physical nor imaginary.
its just that, what we tell each other, doesn't obligate them, to anything we think we know about it.