More than one car?

Haha, I love to read this because I have a 1972 Chevy K10 4x4 with a gas chugger 350 v8 and a pro street 1981 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 sitting in my driveway. I LOVE POLLUTION!

 

RE: You claim to be an expert on the quality and structure of my posts, yet you failed to notice that ive already explained that my family lives in a country area, a good four or five miles from what could be described as a town, and a good ten miles from what could be described as a busy town. Your arrogance astounds me.

Well you know, as an American, I'm an arrogant Neanderthal, right?

Sorry, I don't go researching the lives of all the people who post here - it was a guess, and for 99.9999% of Euroworld it's true - that people live in cramped quarters in overcrowded cities within walking distance of everything. And look down their noses at our car culture. It's interesting to see just how fast they start driving everywhere when they get here. Tired of three hour commutes on buses that never show up, surrounded by petty criminals and drug addicts.

RE: I and every other European im in contact with seem to be getting on just fine, thank you very much

Of course you are. When your country is less than the size of ONE state in this country, it's easy to put railway lines all over the shop and dictate everyone uses them. It would be like me suggesting you solve your problems with snow by simply living in Arizona - "I believe we have too many cars". Not if you need them.

My wife's family drive SUVs. They live in rural Canada, where snowfall can EASILY get to a foot or two, which is IMPOSSIBLE to travel with anything other than such an assault vehicle. Try ordering them to take the metro home.

RE: Believe me honey you seem just as weird to me

Knock off the terms of endearment.

RE: You admit "were screwed" when oil runs out, yet you seem directly opposed to my protest about the excessive use of cars, and therefore fuel. Really, im baffled.

WE as a human race are screwed. I won't be. WE will be wanting Wal-Mart goods. I will not. WE will be wondering how to continue to bring water into Arizona. I won't.

When the fuel runs out, people who overbreed in areas which can't grow food are gonna die out.

Those of us with half a brain and some resourcefulness will be fine. It's the breeding classes that will be extinguished. Harsh I know, but we live in a practical world. And yeah, we could go back to the days before fuel, but then again, that would be back to a world without medicine, relatively inexpensive food, etc. Some of us escaped famine, poverty etc. by ADAPTING. Those who will succeed will ADAPT again.

 

Jesus. There's nothing more i can say to someone who thinks like that

 

I wasnt aware we still had classes

 

I don't think that Iron Goth is talking about evolution. I have heard others say similar things regarding peak oil. The basic argument is that the peak oil crisis is comming so quickly AND that society is so dependant on oil that the best solution is not to try to save everyone, but to concentrate on forming independant communites that can survive independantly.

The adaptability needed for this is not a genetic thing, but rather a personal willingness to be flexible in one's lifestyle.

 

RE: Jesus. There's nothing more i can say to someone who thinks like that

Reality is harsh to people like you.

RE: the right above poster - THAT is exactly of which I speak.

Those who sit around on the couch collecting welfare cheques and asking where the McDonalds is at will find it VERY VERY hard to survive the crash.

 

Yes, it is. But im not one of these do anything for an easy life types.

 

I have my car, it gets the third best gas mileage in it's class if you count years other then the one it was released in


I need to drive myself sometimes, I don't drive it much, but frankly I like being able to have that freedom


until you distinctly and completly understand every situation under the sun, you should not, can not objectivly anyway, judge

 

well it is vaguely attached to the topic, and explains reasons to have 2 cars I suppose....


but it's in a different package

 

RE: until you distinctly and completly understand every situation under the sun, you should not, can not objectivly anyway, judge

Dude, she's from Europe.

Ever been to Europe?

Go to Europe, and especially if they find out you're American, they'll pin you to the wall and lecture you at GREAT length how much better their own vision of utopia is and try and dictate to you what you can and cannot do and assume Big Mommy Government will fix all.

 

And what's worse, they'll give a solution to their perceived problem while not realising that circumstances are vastly different to what they're familiar with.

The whole "zay av NAR bread? Zen let zem eat zer cake!" crap that got Marie Antoinette decapitated. Never occurred to her the speaker was referring to starvation - she simply thought that the servants had neglected to visit zer baguette man zat marning.

 

why can't we all just look at objective reality and let all the other shit just burn in a pit?


oh yeah... because hope is supposedly a good thing.....

 

If you're addressing that statement to politicians, it's practically hopeless. I expected 911 to jolt the politicians in DC back to reality but it actually made things worse.

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This isnt about judging people. Its nothing personal. I feel no contempt for the people who drive many cars...I just feel they are mistaken and misguided, and i wanted to urge them to think a little longer before jumping into their vehicles. Its the whole situation that disgusts me, not the people themselves.

I just want change that brings good for everyone. I thought thats what these forums were about.

 

I only ever argue with people whose views i do not agree with and i think are wrong, regardless of whether or not theyre American. I feel many people in my own country and people all over the world are going in the wrong direction.
This thread didnt start out as an attack on America, or a Europe verses America thing. I do not know why you are so determined to make it this way.

 

well, you do come across as awfully preachy sometimes. it gets under people's skin when they're trying to do what they can to not destroy their own world but are faced with several unavoidable and inconvenient realities. especially when it comes from a teenager. sorry, perhaps that's ageism, but a lot of us have had plenty of practice with the preachy teenagers, having been one ourselves.

 

I think i may start to write all my ideas down, and save them in a notebook ready to be recounted to the world when im 20 years older, and therefore more worthy of being listened to.

Ill also work on my writing style, as its obviously not up to scratch. I didnt want to sound preachy at all. Preachers believe they are more knowledgable than everyone else. I dont

Xx

 

RE: I just feel they are mistaken and misguided, and i wanted to urge them to think a little longer before jumping into their vehicles

Well, you know what - when someone has to go 50mi in one direction, and others have to go 20mi in another, it means two vehicles. K? Unless you want the breadwinner to not to get to work or the kids and wife to be stuck at home all day.
Neither of which is feasible.

RE: I just want change that brings good for everyone.

This by nature is impossible.

RE: I do not know why you are so determined to make it this way.

Because you are arrogant cause you're a Euro, arrogant cause you're an enviro weirdo, and arrogant cause you're a teenager. Your sheer incomprehension of how the world really works is evident in stupid comments like "well, if nobody has a car the government will HAVE to provide public transit." (that's paraphrased, but still).

Believe me, the spotted owl huggers that run my state would LOVE to eliminate all cars. The best they can come up with in Seattle is an EIGHT BILLION DOLLAR monorail plan that'll build a rail line almost to the airport. Not much within the city.

So in other words, you still can't get from one side to the other (Seattle built a highway right down the middle of the city) but you can almost get to the airport. And then take a bus.

This helps NOBODY commuting in the Olympia to Everett corridor, in which there is almost exclusively ONE road which is constantly jammed.

RE: especially when it comes from a teenager.

Or some garlic-soaked Euro yet again trying to dictate how Americans should run their affairs. Haven't you got some fires in Paris to put out?

 

RE: I think i may start to write all my ideas down, and save them in a notebook ready to be recounted to the world when im 20 years older, and therefore more worthy of being listened to.

More like, you'll read em 20 years later and realise how totally ridiculous and unworkable your ideas are outside the fantasy land you presently inhabit.